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  1. bereanbible says:


    A word-for-word Greek to English Interlinear translation of the verses we\’re studying (minus the Strong\’s numbers and the original Greek words).






    What about when human theories, science and discoveries seems to contradict the Bible?
    Several of our Fellowship expressed thoughts, historical examples and Scriptures (Ex: Gen_3:1-5; 2Co_11:13-14; 2Pe_3:5; Isa_29:16) concerning this.

    Then, we began our study with Rev_21:4.

    Revelation 21:4
    God G2316 shall wipe away G1813 . Rev_7:17, Psa_23:2, Isa_25:8, Jer_31:16; Jer_31:17, Mat_5:4, Act_3:19, 2Co_5:2.
    all G3956 tears G1144 . Or, every tear, without exception. Psa_30:5; Psa_116:8; Psa_126:5-6, Isa_65:19, Mat_8:12, Luk_6:21, Act_20:37, 2Ti_1:4.
    no G3756 more G2089 death G2288 G2348. Rev_20:14; Rev_22:3, 2Ki_2:21, Psa_17:15, Isa_25:8; Isa_65:20, Hos_13:14, Luk_20:36, Joh_11:25, Rom_5:17; Rom_7:24; Rom_8:23, 1Co_15:24-26; 1Co_15:54-58, 2Ti_1:10, Heb_2:14; Heb_2:15.
    neither sorrow G3997 G3958. Or, mourning. Rev_18:8-9; Rev_18:11; Rev_18:19, 2Sa_7:10, 1Ch_17:9, Job_14:1, Psa_30:11, Isa_30:19; Isa_35:10; Isa_51:11; Isa_60:20; Isa_61:3; Isa_65:18; Isa_65:19, Jer_31:12; Jer_31:13, Mat_5:4; Mat_6:20, Joh_16:20; Joh_16:22, 1Th_4:13; 1Th_4:18, 2Th_1:7, Jas_4:9, Jud_1:24.
    nor crying G2906 G2896 . Rev_2:10; Rev_13:10; Rev_13:17, Exo_3:7; Exo_3:9, Est_4:2-3, Psa_30:11, Isa_65:19.
    any more G2089 pain G4192 G3993 . Rev_7:16; Rev_16:10-11, Isa_33:24, Eze_28:24, Rom_8:18-23.
    the former things G4413 . or, first. The present age; emphatic in Greek . Rev_21:1; Rev_21:22, Rev_20:11, Psa_144:4, Isa_25:7-8; Isa_35:10; Isa_65:17, Jer_31:16, Mat_24:35; 1Co_7:31; 1Co_15:4-5, 2Co_4:17; 2Co_4:18; 2Co_6:17, 2Pe_3:10, 1Jn_2:17.
    are passed away G565 . Rev_21:1, Psa_57:1, Eze_28:24; Eze_37:23, Zep_3:15, Zec_14:11, Mat_6:13, Luk_16:17, Mat_24:35; Heb_4:9.

    Continuing theme that everything is going to be new.
    If there\’s \”first things\”, we know there\’s going to be additional things.

    What is time frame for this?
    AFTER the Millennium, because in Rev_20:2; Rev_20:7; Rev_20:10; Rev_20:14, satan has been abyssed, loosed, then destroyed, and after 1Co_15:24-26.
    So, Scripturally, death is still part of human existence until AFTER the Millennium has concluded.

    What condition concerning humans HAS to have been met for these events to occur?
    Rev_21:2 – Bride, not yet married, but ready to be wed.
    Coming down \”from God\” – Bride has the Name of Son and the Father. This seems to be the 144,000.
    See Mat_22:1-14

    Also, for earthly humans:
    Rev_21:3 –
    Humans must have reached perfection – no longer under the curse of sin – in order for YHWH to tabernacle (dwell) with them.
    Humans must have bodies to enable them to dwell with YHWH. 1Jn_3:2

    Wipe away every tear fulfills the promises in Rev_7:17 and Isa_25:8.
    Not a tear shall ever be shed then. How different will that be from the condition now – for who now in our Fellowship has never agonized and cried?

    No more death G2288 G2348 goes far beyond the earlier promise of Rev_7:16, which promises freedom from hunger, thirst, and scorching heat.
    Not a grave shall ever be dug!
    How different from now, where death is so common;
    where it spares no one;
    where our best friends die;
    where the wise, the good, the useful, the lovely die;
    where fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, all die;
    where we habitually feel that we must die.
    Nothing is more common than death.
    YHWH\’s Promise is that we will never see death again; nor we will never ourselves die after this point in time.
    We will never follow a relative or friend to the tomb, nor fear that an absent relative or friend is dead. The slow funeral procession will never again be witnessed; nor will the earth ever be disturbed to furnish a grave. (1Co_15:55)

    Death was defeated already by Jesus\’ resurrection.

    Neither sorrow – G3997 G3958 – denotes sorrow, mourning or grief of any kind;
    sorrow for the loss of property or friends;
    sorrow for disappointment, persecution, or care;
    sorrow over our sins, or sorrow that we love YHWH so little, and serve him so unfaithfully;
    sorrow that we are sick, or that we must die.
    How innumerable are the sources of sorrow here; how constant is it today!
    Since the fall of man there has not been a day, an hour, a moment, in which this has not been a sorrowful world; there has not been a nation, a tribe – a city or a village – not even a single family, where there has not been grief.
    I believe that there has been no individual who has been always perfectly happy.
    No one that I know rises in the morning with any certainty that he may not end the day in grief; no one lies down at night with any assurance that it may not be a night of sorrow.
    How different it will be when from this point on there will be no sorrow!

    Nor crying – κG2906 G2896 ” This word denotes a cry, an outcry, as in giving a public notice; a cry in a tumult – a clamor, Act_23:9; and then a cry of sorrow, or wailing.
    This seems to be its meaning here, and it refers to all the outbursts of grief arising from affliction, from oppression, from violence.
    It seems to me that as none of these causes of wailing will be known in the future state, all such wailing will cease.
    This, too, will make our future existence vastly different from our condition now; for what a change would it produce on the earth if the cry of grief were never to be heard again!

    Neither shall there be any more pain G4192 G3993 – There will be no sickness, and no calamity; and there will be no mental sorrow arising from remorse, from disappointment, or from the evil conduct of friends. And what a change would this produce – for how full of pain is the world now!
    How many lie on beds of languishing, that is, being feeble; losing strength; pining; withering; fading;
    how many are suffering under incurable diseases;
    how many are undergoing severe surgical operations;
    how many are pained by the loss of property or friends, or subjected to acuter anguish by the misconduct of those who are loved!
    How different would this world be, if all pain were to cease forever; how different, therefore, must the state of the future be from the present!

    Former (first) things have passed away echoes both v. Rev_21:1 and 2Co_5:17.

    This is perhaps the most hopeful (for humans) Scripture in the Bible.
    Where governments attempt to care for food and shelter – this Promise takes care of the PERSONAL.
    Only YHWH can take care of all these things for His children.


    We’ll begin our study with Revelation 21:5, then continue with Revelation 21:6-8, time permitting.

  2. Bro Dave says:



    “tormented” – discussion upcoming in the near future.

    Our study of Revelation: this is a Revelation from YHWH to Yeshua (who did not know it), then Yeshua to an angel, then the angel to John.
    This demonstrates distinctness between YHWH and Yeshua.
    Many people cling to the Trinity doctrine in spite of the overwhelming Scriptural proof against it.

    Yeshua, the only begotten G3439 son of YHWH.
    Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, 1Jn_4:9

    Did that creation, or bursting forth, cause any diminishing of YHWH’s Power at that moment?

    When we humans see things, they were created.

    But the creative process is different from the process of giving birth.

    The Logos, pre-Yeshua, is the exact representation of YHWH’s essence.

    Referring to Yeshua.

    begotten G1080

    begotten G3439

    Then, we began our study with Rev_21:5.

    Revelation 21:5
    that sat G2521 G2596. or, sitteth. Rev_4:2; Rev_4:9; Rev_5:1; Rev_7:10; Rev_20:11, Psa_47:8, Isa_6:1.
    Behold. Isa_42:9; Isa_43:19; Isa_64:4, 1Co_2:9, 2Co_5:17.
    I make G4160 . Rev_1:8.
    all G3956 things (supplied) new G2537 .
    Gr. kainos (S# G2537, Mar_2:22). Not recent, but changed from the old (Greek “kaina,” not “nea”).
    It is the word for unused, not worn out, rather than neos G3501 , which means recently come into existence).
    Rev_21:1, Psa_102:25-26; Psa_104:30, Ecc_1:9, Isa_43:18; Isa_43:19; Isa_65:17; Isa_66:22, Eze_36:26, Mat_19:28, Mar_2:22, Luk_5:38, Rom_8:18-25, Gal_6:15, 2Co_5:17, Eph_1:10, Col_3:10.

    Making everything new – we want to see this.
    Like Job, we offer up prayers for our families so we can all be together again.

    QUESTION: Is this is the “restitution G605 G600 of all things” to which Peter refers in Act_3:21, and the “deliverance G1659 of the creation G2937 from the bondage of corruption” which Paul anticipates in Rom_8:21?
    Time of universal restoration” Margin NOTE: “Time of refreshment”
    Goes along with “all things new”.
    The way things were in the very beginning.
    We all aspire to become sons of YHWH; we are all sons of Adam right now.
    YHWH will liberate the creation from that bondage.

    Those reborn through faith in Christ bring newness to those persons’ lives, but it is only in the eternal state that YHWH will:
    make all things G3956 new G2537 . (KJV)
    NOTE that the word “things” is supplied, NOT part of the original Greek text.
    In the original Greek, this phrase reads:
    “I make all G3956 new G2537 .”

    OR, using the Strong’s definition
    “I make all G3956 fresh G2537 .”

    OR, using the Greek Interlinear
    “fresh G2537 all G3956 I make .”

    QUESTION: Assuming the correct translation might be, “Behold, fresh all I make”, does that translation alter anyone’s perception or understanding of this passage?
    Supports and is supported by Rom_8:21
    Freshing can mean return it to original state.
    Can also mean reducing everything to elements and then reforming it.

    QUESTION: If “fresh” is the correct definition of G2537, does that definition alter anyone’s perception or understanding of “a fresh heaven and a fresh earth” in Rev_21:1?
    Does not seem to change the meaning.
    A “fresh” start is a “new” start.
    Going to get “fresh” apples can mean getting “new” apples.
    Maybe so, apples are decaying – like our earth – and we need “fresh” or “new”.

    said G3004 . or, saith. Rev_19:9; Rev_22:6.
    Write G1125 . See on Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_2:1; Rev_2:8; Rev_2:12; Rev_2:18; Rev_3:1; Rev_3:7; Rev_3:14; Rev_14:13; Rev_19:9, Hab_2:2.
    these words G3056 . Rev_19:9; Rev_22:6, Psa_119:89; Psa_119:90, Mat_24:35; 1Pe_1:23; 1Pe_1:25.
    true G228 G227 and G2532 .
    Rev_3:7; Rev_3:14; Rev_19:11; Rev_22:6, Dan_11:2, 2Co_1:20.
    faithful G4103 G3982 . Rev_22:6, Psa_119:90, 1Ti_1:15.

    QUESTION – What might have been the purpose of including this last sentence in this verse?

    Rev_21:4 has so much in it, that it can be difficult to accept.
    Also, questions – Will my family be with me? Will I remember my family.
    This verse says, “Trust me – it’s going to be right.”

    1Ki_17:24, 2Ki_20:19, Psa_33:4, Isa_39:8, Joh_17:17, Col_1:5, 1Th_2:13

    These words are founded in truth, and they are worthy to be believed.
    In Rev_19:9, the last phrase, “These are the true sayings of God. -KJV”, confirms all by a solemn declaration. The importance of what is here said; the importance of having it fixed in the mind, amid the trials of life and the scenes of persecution through which the Bride was to pass, makes this solemn declaration proper.
    The idea seems to be, that in all times of persecution – in every dark hour of despondency – the Bride, as such, and every individual member of the Bride class, should receive YHWH’s Word as a solemn truth never to be doubted, that Christ will finally prevail, and that all persecution and sorrow now will be followed by unimaginable immense joy and happiness in heaven and on earth.

    We’ll resume our study of Rev_21:1-8 with Rev_21:6.

  3. Jacqueline says:

    I for one am looking forward to verses 6-8.
    This study has been a blessing from God.
    The Holy Spirit is an excellent and gracious teacher.
    All praise for this increased understanding goes to Jehovah God and Jesus our Savior.

  4. Bro Dave says:


    We began our study with:

    Revelation 21:6

    It is done G1096 . A few texts (e.g., ASV; NWT; RVIC) read “They are come to pass”, or, fulfilled. Rev_10:6; Rev_11:15, Rev_16:17, Gen_1:31, Psa_22:31, Eze_39:8, Joh_19:30, Act_3:21.
    This is the same as the great voice from the temple of heaven in Rev_16:17 that proclaims the completion of YHWH’s wrath being poured out on Babylon.
    And, remarkably similar to this occurs in Joh_19:30, when Yeshua on the cross said, “It is finished G5055.”
    Notice who has control of all of these: Yeshua.

    I am Alpha G1 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:11; Rev_1:17; Rev_22:13; Rev_22:16, Zec_13:7, Act_3:15, Php_2:6.
    Omega G5598 Rev_1:8, Rev_1:11, Rev_21:6, Rev_22:13
    the beginning G746 G756. Rev_1:8; Rev_3:14, Gen_1:1, Mic_5:2, Joh_1:1, Rom_11:36, Eph_1:10; Eph_4:6, Col_1:18.
    and the end G5056 . Isa_44:6.
    Here it appears to be the completion of the new creation by Him who is the Alpha G1 and the Omega G5598 of all things is the focus.
    Some claim that the speaker here is Christ, for it is the very language which He may have used of Himself in Rev_1:11.
    NOTE: However, note the location of the voice:
    (Revelation 1:10 KJV) I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind G3694 me a great voice, as of a trumpet.
    (Revelation 1:5 KJV) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and
    the prince G758 of the kings G935 of the earthG1093.
    Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
    (Revelation 1:6 KJV) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    (Revelation 1:7 KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
    (Revelation 1:8 KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord G2962, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty G3841.

    QUESTION: Can we harmonize the words used in Rev_1:8, especially, Lord G2962 and, Almighty G3841 with the idea they refer to Yeshua (Jesus)?
    Rev_21:2 mentions New Jerusalem coming down from YHWH.
    Rev_21:5 mentions making all things new from YHWH.
    In Hebrew alphabet, each letter has numerical value.

    An idiom – something covered from 1st letter to last letter – some is totally covered, completely. It has deeper meaning in Hebrew than in Greek.
    –“The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet”

    Rev_1:17 seems to indicate our Redeemer’s Voice.
    Read Rev_1:11-18 for context.

    QUESTION: How do we harmonize this with Rev_1:8?
    Rev_1:18 – has to be Yeshua

    the first,H7223 IH589 alsoH637 am the last.H314

    Alpha and Omega = YHWH
    first and last = Yeshua (Col_1:15; Rom_8:29), among others.

    Yeshua was the master workman, YHWH was the architect.

    We cannot recollect a Scripture indicating that Yeshua ever breathed life into anyone.

    The Logos emptied Himself at YHWH’s bidding.

    1 John in its entirety.

    David obtained all the items for the Temple, yet Solomon built the Temple.

    I will give G1325 . Rev_2:17; Rev_7:17; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Num_21:16, Psa_81:10; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_41:17; Isa_43:20; Isa_55:1-3, Joh_3:34; Joh_4:10; Joh_4:13; Joh_4:14; Joh_5:26; Joh_7:37-38, 1Co_15:45, Jas_1:5; Jas_1:17.
    that is athirst G1372 G1373. Rev_7:16; Rev_22:17, Pro_25:25, Isa_44:3, Joh_7:37, 1Pe_2:2.
    the fountain G4077 G4078 . Rev_7:17; Rev_8:10; Rev_14:7; Rev_16:4; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Psa_16:11; Psa_36:8; Psa_36:9; Psa_87:7, Pro_14:27, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Joe_3:18.
    water G5204 G5205 of life G2222 G2198 . Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Deu_30:20, Psa_23:2; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_55:1, Zec_14:8, Joh_4:10; Joh_4:14, 1Ti_6:13.
    freely G1432 G1431 G1435. Gr. dōrean (S# G1432, Joh_15:25), gratuitously, without a cause. Rev_22:17, Isa_55:1, Hos_14:4, Mat_10:8 . Joh_4:10; Joh_15:25, Act_8:20, Rom_3:24; Rom_8:32, 1Co_2:12; 1Co_3:5; 1Co_3:12; 1Co_3:21, 1Jn_5:4-5.

    Water G5204 G5205 of life G2222 G2198 . may be recalling Yeshua’s references to living water in Joh_4:14; Joh_7:38, in connection with eternal life and life in the Holy Spirit.
    This water is further described in Rev_22:1.
    A similar offer of YHWH’s grace to him who spiritually thirsts is repeated in Rev_22:17.

    Revelation 21:7

    overcometh G3528 G3529. Gr. nikaō (S# G3528, Luk_11:22). Rev_2:7; Rev_2:11; Rev_2:13; Rev_2:17; Rev_2:25; Rev_2:26-28; Rev_3:5, Rev_3:12, Rev_3:21, Rev_15:2.
    Greek, “To him that gains the victory, or is a conqueror” – τῷ νικῶντι tō nikōnti.
    This may refer to any victory of a moral character, and the expression used would be applicable to one who should triumph in any of these respects:
    (a) Over his own sins;
    (b) Over the world and its temptations;
    (c) Over prevalent error;
    (d) Over the ills and trials of life, so as, in all these respects, to show that our spiritual principles are firm and unshaken.
    Life, and spiritual life especially, may be regarded as a warfare (2Co_10:3-6).
    Thousands fall in the conflict with evil; but they who maintain a steady warfare, and who achieve a victory, shall be received as conquerors in the end.
    shall inherit G2816 G2818 G2819. Gr. klēronomeō (S# G2816, Gal_4:30). Deu_32:8; Deu_32:9, 1Sa_2:8, Psa_37:29; Psa_73:26, Pro_3:35; Pro_8:21, Isa_60:21; Isa_65:9, Mat_5:5; Mat_19:29; Mat_25:34, Mar_10:17, Luk_22:29; Luk_22:30, Rom_8:17; Rom_8:37, 1Co_3:21-23; 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10; 1Co_15:50, Gal_3:26-29; Gal_4:7; Gal_4:30; Gal_5:21, Eph_1:11. Tit_3:7, Heb_1:14; Heb_6:12; Heb_12:17, 1Pe_1:3-4; 1Pe_3:9.
    all G3956 things (supplied). Isa_64:4, Mat_6:33; Mat_24:47; Mat_25:21, Mar_10:29; Mar_10:30, Luk_6:23, Rom_8:32, 1Co_2:9; 1Co_3:21-23, 2Co_6:10; 2Co_8:9, Eph_1:22, Jas_2:5.
    and G2532 I. Rev_21:3, Rev_3:9; Rev_3:19; Rev_20:9, Zec_8:8, Rom_8:15-17, Heb_8:10, 1Jn_3:1-3.
    will be G2071 G1510. 2Sa_7:14, Psa_89:26.
    his G848 G1438 God G2316. Rev_21:3, Gen_17:7, Exo_6:7, Lev_26:12, Job_19:26, Psa_45:6, Isa_25:9; Isa_52:7, Jer_31:33; Jer_32:38, Eze_14:11; Eze_36:28; Eze_37:23, Zec_13:9, Joh_1:1; Joh_20:17; Joh_20:28, Rom_9:5, 2Co_5:19; 2Co_6:16, Eph_1:5, Col_2:8; Col_2:9, 1Ti_3:16, Tit_2:13, Heb_1:8, 2Pe_1:1, Jud_1:4.
    my son G5207. 2Sa_7:14, Psa_89:26; Psa_89:27, Jer_3:19, Mat_5:9, Joh_1:12, Rom_8:14; Rom_8:17, 2Co_6:18, Gal_3:26; +*Gal_4:6; Gal_4:7,1Jn_3:1; 1Jn_3:2.

    “Sonship” as a concept that seems to embrace more than a relationship based upon a shared nature.
    It appears to be a special honor associated with the Davidic covenant, including privileged intimacy and ruling authority (2Sa_7:14).
    Adoption as a son is all about YHWH’s agape love for His creation and Yeshua’s agape lo G410ve for and obedience to His Father (Gal_4:5).
    Redeem G1805 G1537 G59 G58, defined by many as “to buy from the slave market,” is a term used only by Paul in the NT (Gal_3:13; Eph_5:16; Col_4:5).
    The verb seems to describe Christ’s supreme and final payment for the sins of humanity (Rom_3:23-25).
    This payment, His death on the Cross, or torture stake if you prefer, frees those who believe on Him from the curse of the law and slavery to sin. (Gal_4:1-3)
    This decisive ransom payment and resulting freedom clears the way for all to become YHWH’s sons.
    Although there is only one natural Son in YHWH’s family, Yeshua Messiah (vv. Gal_4:4, Gal_4:6), YHWH has graciously adopted all believers as His sons.
    We are no longer slaves to sin, nor children under the guardianship of the law.
    However, not all sons fulfill the requirements of such an exalted status (Mat_5:9, Mat_5:43-45).
    A person can be a son and not necessarily behave as a son.
    A true son reflects a life of obedience to YHWH’s Word (Jer_7:23; Jer_11:4), and NOT to man’s interpretation, no matter how well-meaning (Mat_15:2-9; Mar_7:1-13; Col_2:8; 1Pe_1:18-25).
    Paul points out that a willingness to yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit is characteristic of the sons of God (Rom_8:14).

    Revelation 21:8

    the fearful G1169. or, cowardly, or, apostates. Rev_21:7, Rev_22:15, Deu_20:8; Deu_31:6, Jos_23:6, Jdg_7:3; Jdg_7:10, 1Sa_15:24, Neh_6:13, Isa_51:12; Isa_57:11, Mat_8:26 Mat_10:28; Mat_25:25, Mar_4:40 Luk_9:26; Luk_12:4-9; Luk_19:21, Joh_9:22; Joh_12:42-43; Joh_14:27, 2Ti_1:7; 2Ti_4:16, Heb_6:4-8, 1Pe_3:14-15, 1Jn_5:4-5; 1Jn_5:10.
    unbelieving G571 G1 G4103. Act_26:8, Rev_1:5; Rev_2:10; Rev_2:13; Rev_3:14; Rev_17:14, Mat_11:20-24; Mat_17:17 Mar_16:16, Luk_8:13; Luk_12:46 Joh_3:36, Eph_2:12, Php_3:2, 2Th_2:12, 2Ti_2:13, Tit_1:15; Tit_1:16, Heb_10:39; Heb_11:6, 1Jn_5:10.
    abominable G948. (only here and Rom_2:22). Rev_21:27, Rev_17:4; Rev_18:3; Rev_22:15, Lev_11:10; Lev_18:22; Lev_18:26; Lev_18:27; Lev_18:29; Lev_18:30 Num_19:13, 1Ki_21:26, Psa_14:1, Pro_6:16-19; Pro_20:10, Eze_33:26, Hos_9:10 Mal_2:11; Mal_3:5, Mat_24:15, Rom_2:22 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:5; Eph_5:6; Eph_5:12, 1Ti_1:9-10, Tit_1:16, Heb_10:26; Heb_12:24; Heb_13:4, 1Pe_4:3, 1Jn_3:8; 1Jn_3:15.
    murderers G5406 G5408. Rev_9:21; Rev_18:24; Rev_22:15, Exo_20:13, Mat_5:21; Mat_15:19; Mat_15:20, Mar_7:21, Act_28:4, Rom_1:29, 1Ti_1:9, Jas_2:22, 1Jn_3:15.
    whoremongers G4205 .(Also, 1Co_5:9). Rev_2:14; Rev_17:2; Rev_18:3, Gen_39:9, Exo_20:14, Pro_2:18; Pro_7:10, Jer_7:9; Jer_23:14, Rom_1:29-31, 1Co_5:1; 1Co_5:9-11; 1Co_6:9, 2Co_12:21, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:3; Eph_5:5, Col_3:5, 1Th_4:3, 1Ti_1:10, Heb_12:16; Heb_13:4.
    sorcerers G5332. or, poisoners. or, drug users (only here and Rev_22:15). Rev_9:21; Rev_13:13-14; Rev_18:23, Lev_19:31, Isa_47:9, Jer_27:9, Dan_2:27, Act_8:9-21; Act_16:16, Gal_5:20.
    and idolaters G1496 G1497 G1491 G1492. Rev_9:20; Rev_13:8; Rev_13:11-17; Rev_22:15, Exo_20:3-6, 1Sa_15:23, Eze_14:3; Eze_44:9, 1Co_5:10-11; 1Co_10:7; 1Co_10:14; 1Co_10:20-21, Eph_5:5.
    and all G3956 liars G5571 G5574. Rev_21:27, Rev_2:2 Rev_3:9; Rev_14:5; Rev_22:15, Gen_27:19, Exo_20:16, Lev_19:11, 2Ki_5:22, Psa_4:2; Psa_5:6; Psa_15:1; Psa_15:2; Psa_31:18; Psa_50:19, Pro_12:22; Pro_13:5; Pro_19:5; Pro_19:9; Pro_24:28, Isa_9:15; Isa_30:9, Jer_23:14; Jer_50:36, Zep_3:13, Zec_8:16, Mal_1:14, Mat_26:70, Joh_8:44, Act_5:3-4; Act_6:13 Rom_1:25, Eph_4:25; Eph_4:29, Col_3:9, 2Th_2:9, 1Ti_1:10; 1Ti_4:1-2, 1Jn_2:22.
    shall have their G848 part G3313. Exo_34:7, Psa_9:17; Psa_52:5, Pro_5:11, Isa_1:28, Zec_5:3, Mat_5:22; Mat_5:29-30; Mat_25:30; Mat_25:46 Luk_13:28, Joh_15:6, Rom_3:10, Php_3:19.
    the lake G3041 G3040. Rev_19:20; Rev_20:6; Rev_20:14-15.
    burneth G2545 . Gen_19:24, Isa_30:33, Eze_38:22.
    with fire G4442. Rev_14:10, Gen_19:28, Lev_13:57, Psa_120:4; Psa_140:10, Eze_24:9, Mat_13:42; Mat_18:8, Mar_9:44, Luk_16:23; Luk_16:24, 2Th_1:8-9, Jas_5:3.
    and brimstone G2303. Rev_9:17; Rev_14:10; Rev_19:20; Rev_20:10, Job_18:15, Isa_34:9, Eze_47:11.
    which is the second G1208 death G2288 G2348 . Rev_2:11; Rev_20:6; Rev_20:14, Rev_20:14, Gen_2:17 Mar_9:44; Mar_9:46; Mar_9:48, Rom_6:23, 2Th_1:9.

    Having stated previously, in general terms, who they were who would be admitted into that blessed world, John now states explicitly who would not.
    But the fearful G1169 – The “fearful” stand in contrast with those who “overcome,” Rev_21:7.
    And unbelieving G571 G1 G4103 – By circumstance, or by choice. Mar_16:16.
    And the abominable G948. –
    THAYER –
    1) to render foul, to cause to be abhorred;
    2) abominable
    3) to turn one’s self away from on account of the stench
    4) metaphorically to abhor, detest
    Perhaps, on account of their sins; all whose conduct is offensive to YHWH? Rom_1:18-32
    And murderers G5406 G5408 – Rom_1:29; Gal_5:21.
    And whoremongers G4205 – Gal_5:19.
    And sorcerers G5332 – In Gal_5:20, Paul seems to say that what was known as sorcery or witchcraft was a proof of the corrupt nature of man, and was one of the fruits of it, equally as abominable to YHWH as the others listed in Gal_5:19-21.
    Sorcery was a system of imposture and falsehood throughout; and nothing is a better demonstration of the depravity of the human heart than its extended and systematized attempt to impose on mankind, even down through today.
    The word which is used here (φαρμακεία pharmakeia, the origin of our word “pharmacy,” from φάρμακον pharmakon, a medicine, poison, magic potion) means, properly, the preparing and giving of medicine.
    It also means also poisoning, and also magic art, or enchantment; because in some cultures pharmacy or medicine consisted of magical incantations in addition to the drugs .
    Therefore it can mean sorcery or enchantment
    The term is used only in Gal_5:20; Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Rev_21:8.
    It may also means poisoning, a crime often practiced in those days, particularly by or against the person in political power; but it can also refer to pretensions to witchcraft, sorcery, the casting of bones and passing of incantations, etc.
    And idolaters G1496 G1497 G1491 G1492 – Idolatry can be defined as a form of selfishness: the idolizing of money or fame or influence or child or self or some other creature (animate or inanimate), exalted to, and receiving the honor due to the YHWH. 1Co_6:9; Gal_5:19.
    And all liars – All who are false in their statements, their promises, their contracts. The word would embrace all who are false toward God Act_5:1-3, and false toward human beings. Rom_1:31.
    Shall have their part in the lake which burneth,
    If death was no more in Rev_21:4, what is this “second death?
    It seems that for everyone who lives in New Jerusalem, in Christ, “death will be no more” (Rev_21:4). This is the “death” of the “former things G4413 “.
    It also seems that this will not be the experience of all human beings, for those who rejected YHWH’s gracious gift of salvation will go to a very different place, “the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death” (Rev_21:8).
    This seems to be a different “death” than in Rev_21:4.

    We will begin our study with Revelation 21:9.

  5. Bro Dave says:


    Tonight we studied:

    The New Jerusalem (Overview)
    The new G2537 (renewed; freshened) city’s prototype was also loved and praised in the Old Testament (Psa_48:1-14) and whose future glory was the hope of the prophets ( I commend to your careful study Ezekiel, Chapters 40–48).

    Since the beginning of this passage is similar to the beginning of Revelation Chapter 17, it seems that the Lamb’s wife, the New G2537 Jerusalem, is being contrasted with Babylon, “the great harlot” (Rev_17:1, Rev_17:5).

    Come G1204. Rev_22:17.
    Shows John the City, not the individuals making up the Bride.

    spirit G4151 G4154. Mat_3:16. Eze_37:1. Rev_1:10, Eph_1:17.
    the exalted state in which John received these visions of Revelation (Rev_1:10), which carried him away (Rev_17:3).

    and shewed G1166. This is metonymy (meh-TAHN-ah-me – where one word is put for another; a change of names which have some relation to each other; as when we say, “a man keeps a good table.” instead of good provisions.): the angel offers to show John the bride, but what John sees is the city where the bride will live. Deu_34:1.
    that great G3173 city G4172 .
    Note: The interchange of emblems from “the bride, the Lamb’s wife,” to “that great city, the holy Jerusalem,” seems to indicate, that we should only take in the general ideas of them, and not enter minutely into particulars; and that our detailed view of such subjects must be like a collage acquired from the whole of them compared together.
    Rev_21:2. Rev_3:12, Gen_4:17; Gen_11:4, 1Ki_11:36, Psa_46:4; Psa_48:1; Psa_87:3, Isa_27:10; Isa_27:11; Isa_49:16, Eze_40:1-49, Eze_48:15-22, Dan_4:29-30.

    descending G2597 G2596 out of G1537
    heaven G3772.
    Rev_21:2, Rev_10:1, Hos_2:21, +*Joh_14:2, Php_3:20.
    from G575 God G2316.
    The description of the vision in Rev_21:9-10 parallels almost exactly that in Rev_17:1-3. It appears that the contrast between Babylon the harlot and new Jerusalem the bride is explicit and intentional.
    A mountain reaching to heaven to provide visibility was used in Mat_4:8; Jerusalem was also regarded as atop a mountain (often in the Hebrew Testament e.g., Joe_2:1);
    the image here seems to be from Eze_40:2.

    jasper G2393 [H3471]. Rev_21:18-19, Rev_4:3, Exo_28:20, 1Jn_3:2.
    clear as crystal G2929 G2930. Rev_21:18; Rev_21:21, Rev_4:6; Rev_22:1, Exo_24:10, Job_28:17, Son_4:7; Son_6:10, Eze_1:22, Eph_5:27.

    The New Jerusalem, because it radiates YHWH’s glory, is bright and beautiful like a precious jewel that shines brilliantly.
    Perhaps the word jasper G2393 [H3471] describes a quartz with shades of green, blue, and red; what we refer to today as jasper is not clear.

    Jasper is the last stone mentioned in the Bible in the High Priest’s breastplate (Exo_28:20).
    It comes from the Hebrew word yashpheh (Strong’s #H3471).
    It is also the name of the sixth stone that adorned Lucifer (Eze_28:13).
    The root of the word means to “polish” and both Strong’s and others translate the word as Jasper.

    In the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) it is translated “diamond”.

    Yashpheh is translated “jasper” in Exo_28:20 and Eze_28:13 in almost all of the Bible translations I examined.

    In the New Testament, the first foundation stone in the New Jerusalem (Rev_21:19) is called in the Greek iaspis (Strong’s #G2393).

    The book of Revelation records several visions given to the apostle John, one of which includes this precious stone in relationship to YHWH’s appearance on His Throne. (Rev_4:1-3).

    Jaspers are considered an opaque variety of Chalcedony stones.

    The most common colors found in them are red, green, brown or yellow and they can appear flamed or striped.

    Many believe that the precious stone found in the priest’s breastplate was likely colored “emerald-green”.

    A 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica section on this gem states the following concerning the possible ancient color of this gemstone.
    “The jasper of antiquity was in many cases distinctly green, for it is often compared with the emerald and other green objects. Jasper is referred to in the Niebelungenlied as being clear and green.”

    The jasper stone is mentioned in Rev_4:3 as one of the jewels that describe YHWH’s appearance.

    John is explaining what he sees in terms that others not blessed with his vision can understand, using the most relevant images he can think of.

    Comparing the shining beauty of this new city to gemstones seems to be his way to describe the indescribable.

    The way humans view time is made no longer necessary (Rev_21:23).

    Why no Temple building (Rev_21:9-27)?
    YHWH and Christ Head and Body are the Temple, with 12 Apostles as foundations.
    No need for a place like the tabernacle or temple building, since YHWH us actually with mankind. Heb_11:13

    New Jerusalem is a very impressive, precious city. People can see straight through it to the glory of YHWH.

    Dimensions – City and Bride class are both 144,000.
    Rev_21:16 = as tall as it is long and wide.
    Would city have buildings that incredibly tall?
    Probably refers to elevation including high mountain (Jerusalem is on a mountain).
    Rev_21:10 = carried away to great and high mountain.
    Was this height of building or height of building plus elevation of mountain?
    Possibly reconstructed earth can sustain building and city with incredible height – so matter where you look, you see the city all around and all above.
    Will New Jerusalem be elevated above everything on earth?
    Rev_21:23-24 – providing light for the nations.
    Still two luminaries – YHWH and Christ.

    It appears that the glory of YHWH that fills the New Jerusalem is the dazzling light that emanates from His Being.
    Moses experienced YHWH’s glory as “a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (Exo_3:2).
    This glory was manifested as the shekinah cloud (OJB) that filled the tabernacle (Exo_40:34-35).
    When Solomon concluded his prayer at the dedication of the temple, fire descended from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices. The glory of the Lord filled the temple in such brilliance that the priests could not enter the temple because of it (2Ch_7:1-2)

    No matter where you are on earth, the sun and moon is visible.
    New Jerusalem will be the same way, but not as far away and sun and moon.
    Some believe the height is 1500 miles (Rev_21:16-17).
    All this is IMMENSE, but not for YHWH.
    Referring to “furlongs (1/8 mile)” or “stadia” = 1500 miles. (Chicago to San Diego = 1723 miles.)
    Referring to “the measure of a man” may indicate that this is an physical building in a physical city.

    Rev_21:25-27 – Redeemed, justified mankind will have free access.

    We will begin our study with Revelation 21:9.

  6. bereanbible says:

    Br. Dave, another thought I had on the City being shown to John and not the Bride herself is to let Christians search for it in other scripture. It seems faith and digging is what we have to do as God knew there would be some discrepancy on who the Bride was, 144,000, or as some say the entire Church of believers.
    I do think the clue is in the numbers. Just my opinion, but got to wait to see.
    I enjoyed Br. David’s presence tonight.

  7. Bro Dave says:

    Excellent point.
    Would you care to expand on the clue that the numbers gives us?

    • bereanbible says:

      Br Dave, I meant the building being 144,000 squared indicates the Bride might be the 144,000.
      The Church is said to be God’s Children, not the son’s bride.
      Normally a Hebrew father chooses a bride from among his family. I just don’t see the entire Church class being the Bride. Happy and holy are those invited to the wedding feast say the Bible and I think some of the Church will be invited to attend. Just thinking out loud.

      The Church is hidden in the Hevrew text it seems I might be wrong.

  8. Bro Dave says:


    We opened our study welcoming a Truth-seeker who is new to our Berean Fellowship and joyfully invested the first part of our meeting in fellowship.

    Then, we started our Scriptural study with:
    Revelation 22:1-5

    QUESTION: Do these first five verses of Rev 22 seem to actually belong at the end of Rev 21?
    Originally no chapter/verse in the text.
    The thoughts here seem to fit with chapter 21.

    he shewed me. Rev_22:16, Rev_1:1; Rev_4:1; Rev_21:9-10, Exo_25:40; Exo_26:30; Exo_27:8, 2Ki_8:10, Isa_64:4, Joh_16:13.
    a pure G2513. Rev_22:2, Gen_2:10-14, Num_20:8; Num_21:16, Job_20:17, Psa_23:2; Psa_36:8; Psa_46:4; Psa_65:9; Psa_78:15; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_30:25; Isa_32:2; Isa_35:6; Isa_41:18; Isa_48:18; Isa_55:1; Isa_66:12, Eze_47:1-9; Eze_47:12, Joe_3:18, Zec_14:8, Joh_7:38; Joh_7:39, 1Pe_1:4.
    river G4215 of – Rev_22:2, Rev_8:10; Rev_9:14; Rev_12:15-16; Rev_16:4; Rev_16:12, Gen_2:10, Eze_47:9, Zec_14:8.
    The rivers of paradise in Gen_2:10 and the waters of Jerusalem (Psa_46:4) may supply some of the background for the image here; but it may be that the reference here is to the rivers of water flowing from the New Jerusalem’s Temple in Eze_47:1-11 (Joe_3:18; Zec_14:8).
    In New Jerusalem, there is no temple, YHWH and Yeshua are the Temple. (Rev_21:22)
    It also could be referring to the Old Jerusalem Temple.
    Dome of the Rock is not exactly where Temple was located.
    Some evidence suggests that a pagan temple was there at one time.
    It could be referring to the boundaries of division.
    Josephus, in Antiquities 1.1.3, 38, claimed that the garden in Eden was watered by one earth-encircling river that divided into four parts: Ganges, Euphrates, Tigris and Nile.
    Later, Philo identified the river with virtue, flowing forth from Eden, which was wisdom—Allegorical Interpretation 1.19, 65.
    The water is BOTH symbolic AND physical and literal, just like many of Yeshua’s parables and Daniel’s (symbolic) beasts (then, we are given interpretations of what these symbols are literally).
    YHWH is so pin-point accurate, that in some cases the beast represents that entity even today, e,g,. leopard – was actual animal that appeared in that country’s banner long after Daniel’s prophecy.

    Also, John might be referencing the Spirit; in Joh_7:37-39.
    The apostles were operating under the Spirit that Yeshua had.
    water G5204 of life G2222 G2198. or, living water. Rev_22:17, Rev_7:17; Rev_21:6, Lev_14:5, Deu_30:20, Psa_30:5; Psa_36:8-9, Pro_10:11; Pro_13:14; Pro_14:27; Pro_16:22, Son_4:15, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Luk_16:24; Luk_20:38, Joh_4:10; Joh_4:11, Joh_4:14; Joh_7:37-38; Joh_11:25; Joh_14:6; Joh_19:34, Act_1:5; Act_3:15, Rom_8:2, 1Co_15:45, Col_3:4, 1Ti_6:13, 2Ti_1:10, 1Jn_5:11.
    clear G2986 G2985 G2989. or, radiant. Rev_22:16, Luk_23:11, Act_10:30.
    as crystal G2930. Rev_21:11, Rev_4:6, Job_28:17.
    proceeding G1607 G1537 G4198. Rev_3:21; Rev_4:5; Rev_5:6; Rev_5:13; Rev_7:10-11; Rev_7:17; Rev_8:5; Rev_11:19, Eze_47:1, Zec_14:8, Joh_8:42; Joh_14:16-18; Joh_15:26; Joh_16:7-15, Act_1:4-5; Act_2:33, 2Co_9:8.
    out of G1537 Eze_47:1-11
    the throne G2362 Rev_3:21; Rev_4:2-3; Rev_21:3, Zec_6:13.
    of God G2316
    and of. Rev_22:3, Rev_3:21, Heb_1:3.
    the Lamb. Rev_5:6; Rev_5:13, Luk_22:69, Joh_1:4; Joh_1:29; Joh_3:34; Joh_5:18; Joh_5:26; Joh_13:32.
    In G1722 the midst G3319 G3326 (through the middle of) Rev_22:1, Rev_21:21, Eze_47:1; Eze_47:12; Eze_48:8.
    the street. G4113 G4116 G4111 Rev_21:21.
    On either side G1782 G2532 G1782 of Eze_47:7; Eze_47:12, Dan_12:5, Joh_19:18.
    the river G4215 Exo_17:6, Isa_33:21, Eze_47:1; Eze_47:7; Eze_47:12, Joe_3:18, Zec_14:8-9, Joh_4:13-14, 1Co_10:4.
    was there (grows) – SUPPLIED
    the – SUPPLIED
    tree G3586 of life G2222 Note: The definite article “the” not being in the original text, “a tree of life” may be a better translation; for there were other trees;
    one in the street, and
    others on each side of the river: Eze_47:12, which speaks of many trees bearing fruit each month (as opposed to one season a year) and leaves for healing.
    John seems to modify Ezekiel’s “trees” to incorporate an reference to paradise: from the “tree of life” in Gen_2:9.
    Later Jewish traditions further expounded the figure.
    (Some Jewish texts spoke of twelve trees, one for each month, in a four-river paradise, weaving together features of Ezekiel and Genesis in a manner similar to Revelation.
    Jewish texts frequently connected the twelve months with the twelve tribes and constellations, but John avoids astrological associations here, as elsewhere.)
    The use here seems to appear to designate the entire mass of trees in general. Rev_22:14; Rev_22:19, Rev_2:7, Gen_2:9; Gen_2:17; Gen_3:22-24, Pro_3:18; Pro_13:12, Son_2:3, Luk_23:31, Joh_3:16, Act_5:30; Act_10:39; Act_13:29, Gal_3:13, 1Pe_2:24.
    which bare G4160. or, bearing or bring forth. Mat_7:17.
    twelve G1427 Rev_12:1; Rev_21:14, Exo_15:27, Mat_19:28.
    manner (kinds) of – SUPPLIED
    fruits G2590. Deu_33:14, Son_2:3; Son_7:13. – no longer forbidden.
    and yielded G591 G575 G1325. or, yielding.
    every G2596 G1538 G1520 month G3376. or, according toIs this each month. Rev_21:22.
    QUESTION: Is this an declaration of YHWH’s ceaseless provision for mankind in every season?
    Agreed, providing mankind avails themselves of YHWH’s provisions.
    Like one of those grafted fruit trees with several different fruits.

    the leaves G5444 H5929. Gen_3:7, Mat_21:19.
    of the tree G3586. Psa_1:3.
    healing G2322 H7495. Mat_24:45, Psa_103:3; Rev_21:24, Gen_3:6; Gen_3:7, 2Ki_2:21, Psa_147:3, Pro_12:18, Isa_6:10; Isa_29:18-19; Isa_30:26; Isa_33:24; Isa_57:18-19, Jer_17:14; Jer_30:17, Eze_47:8-12, Hos_14:4, Mic_4:6-7, Mal_4:2, Mat_13:15; Mat_24:45 Luk_4:18; Luk_9:11 Luk_12:42. 1Pe_2:24.
    of the nations. G1484 G1486 H1471 Rev_5:9; Rev_21:24, Deu_32:8; Deu_32:9, Psa_72:5, Mat_25:32.
    QUESTION: Is this a figurative way of saying that Mankind will enjoy perpetual health forever and ever?
    Literal tree with literal leaves.
    Taking the leaves for medicine.

    We’ll begin our study and Rev_22:3.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Br. Dave, I have reviewed Ezekial 47 and the surrounding chapters and come to the conclusion this is the time period of the 1,000 yr reign of Christ, temple.
    So that is what I think this is the Temple that exists during the thousand-year reign of Christ.

  10. Bro Dave says:


    We continued our study, which began with:
    Revelation 22:1-5.

    Tonight, we found ourselves at Rev_22:3-5.

    Starting at Rev_22:5, we focused on:

    And there shall be no G3756 night G3571 there G1563, Rev_4:8; Rev_7:15; Rev_8:12; Rev_12:10; Rev_14:11; Rev_18:23, Rev_20:10, Rev_21:22-24; Rev_21:25, Psa_36:9; Psa_84:11, Pro_4:18; Pro_4:19, Isa_4:5; Isa_60:19-20, Zec_14:7.
    – ”perfect blessedness;

    The timeline appears to be AFTER the Millennium.
    YHWH is perfectly and completely light – where He is darkness cannot exist. (Rev_21:23).

    they need G2192 G5532 no G3756. 1Co_13:10.
    candle G3088. Rev_18:23, Psa_119:89; Psa_119:105.
    neither G2532 light G5457. Rev_21:23, Son_6:10, Isa_30:26; Isa_60:19.
    of the sun G2246 –
    Mat_5:45, Mat_13:6, Mat_13:43, Mat_17:2, Mat_24:29, Mar_1:32, Mar_4:6, Mar_13:24, Mar_16:2, Luk_4:40, Luk_21:25, Luk_23:45, Act_2:20, Act_13:11, Act_26:13, Act_27:20, 1Co_15:41, Eph_4:26, Jas_1:11, Rev_1:16, Rev_6:12, Rev_7:2, Rev_7:16, Rev_8:12, Rev_9:2, Rev_10:1, Rev_12:1, Rev_16:8, Rev_16:12, Rev_19:17, Rev_21:23, Rev_22:5
    KJV: sun=30x, east=2x Total= 32x.
    Revelation reveals Genesis and Genesis explains Revelation. Rev 22 parallels Gen 1-3.

    for the Lord G2962 God G2316. Gen_2:4; Gen_15:2.
    giveth them light G5461 G846. Rev_21:11; Rev_21:23-25, Exo_25:37, Psa_27:1; Psa_36:9; Psa_97:11, Pro_15:30, Isa_10:17, Mic_7:8, Hab_3:4, Mal_4:2, Mat_17:1; Mat_17:2, Luk_9:32, Act_9:3, Rom_5:2, 2Co_3:10, Col_1:12, 1Ti_6:16, Jas_1:17, 1Jn_1:5.
    The city’s light being YHWH’s glory rather than the sun or moon seems to be taken directly from Isa_60:19-20 (the image of Isa_24:23; Isa_30:26). Many Jewish teachers stressed that YHWH’s light would fill the world to come, sometimes including the righteous shining like the sun or stars (Exo_34:29; Dan_12:3);
    References can also be found in extra-Scriptural Jewish texts, such as, 1 Enoch; Ecclesiasticus; 4 Ezra.

    Afterwards, we examined the first phrase of Rev_22:3:
    “And there shall be G2071
    no more G3756 G3956 G2089 or, no longer. Isa_51:11, Zec_14:11.
    curse, G2652 (only occurrence here). G2596 Rev_22:19, Rev_6:15-17; Rev_12:7-9; Rev_14:11; Rev_20:10; Rev_21:4, Gen_3:10-19; Gen_4:12, Deu_27:15-26, 2Ki_2:21, Isa_4:2; Isa_7:21-22; Isa_25:6-9; Isa_30:23-24, Eze_34:25-28; Eze_38:23, Hos_2:18, Joe_2:22; Joe_3:18, Amo_9:13-15, Zec_14:11, Mal_4:6, Mat_25:41; Mat_26:74, Mar_14:71, Luk_20:36, Rom_8:21; Rom_8:22; Rom_9:3, 1Co_12:3 , 1Co_16:22, Gal_1:8; Gal_3:13, 2Ti_1:10.
    The removal of the curse is from Zec_14:11, and in this context it refers to the reversal of the curse in Eden, especially on the human race and creation (Gen_3:14-19).

    QUESTION: What caused the curse to be removed?
    Yeshua, His Ransom Sacrifice.

    Would the appearance of thorns and thistles (Gen_3:18) have occurred in Eden and made it less than perfect?
    When Adam partook of the fruit, Eden was, at that moment, despoiled.
    Comparing Rev_22:18-19
    with Gen_2:16-17
    and Gen_3:1-3,
    Did Eve “add on” to what YHWH had instructed Adam?
    Is this not “add unto these things”?
    The narrative story as reported is not the same as adding to inspired writings.
    Neither Eve nor Adam were actually doing the writing of the story, the Scripture is about them, showing the events leading to “The Fall”.

    What if Adam had not partaken of the fruit? Would either have died?

    Where was Adam when Eve was “deceived”?

    Looking at the events described in Gen_2:16-21, particularly in Gen_2:17 “in the day H3117”:
    Is this a 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) ?

    So WHY did Adam take a bite of the fruit, KNOWING the consequence directly from YHWH?
    Could it be that he had no experience with death to understand what death was all about (see the order of events in Rom_5:12)?
    Could it be that he was too proud?
    Could he have felt rebellious against YHWH? No more desire to obey?
    We know that Adam and Eve learned about death AFTER their disobedience: Gen_3:21

    As we are taught that YHWH had fellowship with Adam and Eve before their fall into sin (Gen_3:8), so YHWH will again be with His servants eternally. In turn, His servants, who now can present themselves to YHWH as “a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God” (KJV), will worshipfully serve Him (Rom_12:1).

    – or, perfect sinlessness.


    We will begin by continuing our study of Rev_22:3-5.
    We will re-visit “And there shall be no more curse”, and search to harmonize:
    in the day H3117
    A 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) relative to Gen_5:5.

    Afterwards, we’ll discuss:
    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we’ll study Rev_22:6-21.

  11. Bro Dave says:


    Scriptures pertaining to us tonight:

    Can we harmonize:
    in the day H3117
    A 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) relative to Gen_5:5.
    QUESTION: Gen_1:3-5
    How is “Day” defined?
    Today, we define a day as a 24-hour period.
    According to Webster: “The day may commence at any period of the revolution [of the earth].
    The Babylonians began the day at sun-rising;
    the Jews, at sun-setting;
    the Egyptians, at midnight, as do several nations in modern times, the British, French, Spanish, American, &c.”

    The Jewish day is of no fixed length.
    Based on the classic rabbinic interpretation of Gen_1:5 (“And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mar_16:2” – Orthodox Jewish Bible), a day H3117 in the rabbinic Hebrew calendar runs from sunset (the start of “the evening”) to the next sunset.

    Then, on the FOURTH Day,

    QUESTION: How was “Day” define BEFORE the fourth day?
    The Hebrew word for day H3117
    appears 2239 in KJV times and is translated as:
    day, 1270
    days, 669
    time, 58
    chronicles, 37
    daily, 32
    ever, 20
    long, 15
    days’, 13
    continually, 10
    full, 10
    when, 7
    while, 7
    year, 7
    age, 6
    day’s, 6
    yearly, 6
    times, 5
    alway, 4
    always, 4
    life, 4
    now, 4
    whole, 4
    required, 3
    season, 3
    space, 3
    years, 3
    evermore, 2
    live, 2
    old, 2
    perpetually, 2
    presently, 2
    afternoon, 1
    ago, 1
    at, 1
    birthday, 1
    continuance, 1
    elder, 1
    livest, 1
    liveth, 1
    midday, 1
    overlived, 1
    remaineth, 1
    require, 1
    then, 1
    trouble, 1
    weather, 1
    year’s, 1
    young, 1
    younger, 1

    and is translated in KJV to refer to a time period, with a beginning and an end but not necessarily that of a 24-hour day.

    QUESTION: What does this mean in reference to YHWH’s command in Gen_1:3 ?
    light: H216 H215
    Occurs 133 times in KJV and is translated as:
    light, 126
    bright, 1
    clear, 1
    day, 1
    lightning, 1
    lights, 1
    morning, 1
    sun, 1

    COMPARE with:
    In Gen_1:16 :
    light H3974
    Occurs in KJV 20 times and translated as:
    light, 15
    lights, 4
    bright, 1

    OTOH, Exo_20:8-12, EACH and EVERY reference to “day” is day(s) H3117 .
    Can we harmonize that these verses are prophetic to the post-Millennium where we will live long enough to “keep it holy”, a thousand year sabbath day?

    And, if that’s our reasoning, do we also reason that the 10 Commandments are all prophetic and do not apply to any of us in the Gospel Age?

    How do we tell the difference between a 24-hour day versus a 1000-year day when comparing these Scriptures to Genesis?
    Torah refers to RIGHT NOW, not the future.
    Joshua asked for the sun to stand still RIGHT NOW.
    Israel had sacrifices that had to be prepared for that literal 24-hour day.
    Historically, Israel has always taken this as seven literal days.
    Yeshua asked, “Are there not 12 hours in the day?” (Joh_11:9)
    Nobody questioned it.
    Some organizations believe each creation day is 7000 years for 7000 x 7000 = 49000 years.

    A POSSIBLE Conclusion:
    Exo_20:8-11 seems to clearly link the Sabbath Day with the seven-literal-day cycle established in Gen_1:1 – Gen_2:3.
    In context, no other interpretation, but a literal 24-hour Day H3117 makes sense.
    Notice the use of the word, “Remember;” (Exo_20:8) pointing us back to the very beginning (Gen_1:1 – Gen_2:3).
    It is our understanding that the same author who wrote Genesis also wrote Exodus, and the same Holy Spirit inspired both! (2Ti_3:16-17; 2Pe_1:20-21).
    It’s easy to draw a reasonable conclusion that Moses leaves no doubt that he received and related YHWH’s intention about how the word “yom” (day H3117) is to be interpreted in both occurrences.

    ANOTHER POSSIBLE Conclusion:
    What if day H3117 is a homonym (When words are spelled the same and sound the same but have different meanings)?
    We see how many different English words day H3117 is translated into.

    Homonyms are quite common in English.

    For example:

    Address – to speak to / location

    Air – oxygen / a lilting tune

    Arm – body part / division of a company

    Band – a musical group / a ring

    Bark – a tree’s out layer / the sound a dog makes

    Bat – an implement used to hit a ball / a nocturnal flying mammal

    Bright – very smart or intelligent / filled with light

    Circular – taking the form of a circle / a store advertisement

    Current – up to date / flow of water

    Die – to cease living / a cube marked with numbers one through six

    Express – something done fast / to show your thoughts by using words

    Fair – equitable / beautiful

    Jag – a sharp, jutted object / a crying spree

    Kind – type / caring

    Lie – to recline / to tell a falsehood

    Match – to pair like items / a stick for making a flame

    Mean – average / not nice

    Pole – a person from Poland / a piece of metal that holds a flag

    Pound – unit of weight / to beat

    Quarry – a site for mining stone / to extract or obtain slowly

    Ream – a pile of paper / to juice a citrus fruit

    Ring – a band on a finger / something circular in shape

    Right – correct / direction opposite of left

    Rock – a genre of music / a stone

    Rose – to have gotten up / a flower

    Spring – a season / coiled metal

    Stalk – a part of a plant / to follow or harass someone

    Tender – gentle / offer of money

    Tire – to grow fatigued / a part of a wheel

    Well – in good health / a source for water in the ground

    There are several examples of this in the Hebrew Scriptures (for example Job_9:30-31 in Hebrew).
    To read about this and see examples, check out the:
    Encyclopedia of Hebrew Language and Linguistics, Vol 3, P-Z

    With this information, it seems that another reasonable conclusion would be that day H3117 in Genesis might be a homonym for day H3117 in Exodus.

    My OWN Conclusion:
    It seems to me that there may be no definitive answer this side of the post-Millennium.
    In any event, this requires a LOT of prayer and study for Scriptural understanding along with a lot of prayer for a loss of personal bias and error to maybe find an answer that is Scriptural.

    Seems to indicate a literal 24-hour day.
    Some organizations claim that since the Bible does not mention the END of the sabbath day, the seventh day has not ended.


    We assume all creation days are equal length.
    Are they?
    Joshua’s day was longer than 24 hours.

    Some organizations believe each day of creation was 7000 years, so 7k x 7k – 49000 years.
    This was done to come into line with predictions of their end of the world date.

    Was this the first literal 24-hour day?
    YHWH is the Creator of order.
    It seems out of character that He would not create the same length days for each day in creation.
    OTOH, there is no problem with first three days being longer.

    YHWH gave us this information in a way that humankind can understand it (Isa_55:8-9).


    According to current Jewish calendar, at the time of this meeting, we have entered into the 7th day of the 7th month.

    A way of letting us know YHWH’s Word is faithful and will happen in spite of how overly long it may seem to humans. (Isa_55:8-9)
    Rabbinical writings (Psa_90:4) use 1000 years as well.
    Neither of these indicate that a “day” is exactly 1000 years.

    All of this points towards Yeshua and the Millennial ‘Day” and that things will take longer than we think they should, but we cannot pin YHWH down to a specific time constraint.

    And, how long that “Day” with Yeshua will be from mankind’s point.


    For information on how this affects “day-for-a-year”, listen to: “Study of Eschatology: 70 Weeks” on Bro Lee Anthony’s podcast at


    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we began our study of Rev_22:6-21.

  12. Bro Dave says:

    The URL that will take you directly to:
    Encyclopedia of Hebrew Language and Linguistics, Vol 3, P-Z,
    mentioned in the Study Notes is:

  13. Bro Dave says:



    Creative Day – YHWH could cause a day to be more than 24 hours.
    “day” in Genesis, compared to the “Sabbath” – the same Hebrew word is used for both.
    The Bible does not specify whether a Creative Day was longer than 24-hours.
    Many organizations try to harmonize each Creative Day with the time it took for evolution or their own time calculations.

    QUESTION: Where can we go to get Absolute Truth, and not “truth” contaminated by worldly organizations, individuals, or social (or political, religious, scientific, etc.) correctness?
    None of these Scriptures refer to obtaining Absolute Truth from any organization, group or individuals, no matter what their claims, but, rather, going directly to the Word of YHWH.

    The rest of our meeting was filled with glorious testimony and loving (agape) fellowship.




    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we began our study of Rev_22:6-21.

  14. Bro Dave says:


    Tonight we studied:
    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.

    CONTINUING in Rev_22:3:

    but the throne G2362 of God G2316
    Rev_1:4; Rev_7:15-17; Rev_21:3; Rev_21:22; Rev_21:23, Psa_16:11; Psa_17:15, Isa_12:6, Eze_43:7; Eze_48:35, Mat_25:21, Joh_14:3; Joh_17:24.
    KJV: throne 54, seat 7
    and of the Lamb G721 G704 Rev_22:1, Rev_3:21; Rev_11:15, Joh_5:18 Joh_13:32, Heb_1:3. Rev_5:6; Rev_7:10, Luk_1:33.
    KJV: Lamb i.e. Christ 28, lamb 2
    shall be G2071 G1510 in G1722 it G846,
    Eze_48:35, Zec_2:5.

    – perfect government;

    “and His servants G1401 G1210
    Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1; Rev_2:20; Rev_6:11; Rev_7:3; Rev_7:15; Rev_11:18; Rev_19:2; Rev_19:5, Joh_12:26; Joh_15:15.
    shall serve G3000 Him, Mat_4:10. Rev_22:11, Rev_1:6; Rev_5:10; Rev_7:15, Exo_21:6, Jos_9:22-27, Pro_22:29, Luk_1:74, Act_26:7, Rom_1:1; Rom_9:4, 1Co_7:22, Eph_4:13, Php_3:3, Heb_9:1; Heb_9:6.
    KJV: serve 16, worship 3, do the service 1, worshipper 1

    – perfect service;

    Giving our all in action and thought.
    This has been YHWH’s requirement for His people since He selected Israel.

    “They shall see G3700 Gen_33:10, Exo_33:18-20; Exo_33:23, 2Sa_14:24, Est_1:14, Job_33:26, Psa_4:6, Isa_33:17; Isa_35:2; Isa_40:5, Mat_5:8, Mar_9:2-5, Luk_9:32, Joh_12:26; Joh_14:9; Joh_17:24, 1Co_13:12, Eph_3:19, Heb_12:14, 1Jn_3:2; 1Jn_3:3., Rev_1:7, Exo_33:20; Exo_33:23, 2Sa_14:24, Job_19:27, Psa_17:15; Psa_36:9; Psa_42:2, Isa_6:2, Mat_5:8; Mat_18:10, Joh_1:18; Joh_14:8; Joh_14:23; Joh_17:22-24, Rom_5:2; Rom_8:29, 1Co_13:10; 1Co_13:12, 2Co_3:18; 2Co_4:6; 2Co_5:8, 1Th_4:17, 2Th_2:14, 1Ti_6:16, Heb_1:2-3
    His face G4383 G4314, Rev_7:15; Rev_21:3, Psa_16:11; Psa_119:135, Mat_17:2-4; Mat_18:10, Mar_9:2-5, Luk_9:32.
    KJV: face 55, person 7, presence 7, countenance 3, not translated 1, misc 5

    – perfect communion;

    Our current bodies prevent us from being able to see YHWH’s face and live.
    We have to be changed into the kind of bodies that are able to actually visualize YHWH.

    Why can mankind not be in the presence of YHWH?
    YHWH created the sun. Because of our human nature, we cannot abide the intense light (Joh_3:6, Joh_4:24).
    Also, because of human’s inherited sinful nature.
    Adam walked with YHWH but he was perfect at the time (Gen_3:8).
    But could Adam actually see YHWH’s face (Joh_1:18)?

    “and His name G3686 Rev_3:12; Rev_13:16; Rev_13:17; Rev_14:1; Rev_19:12, Exo_28:30, 2Ti_2:19.
    KJV: name 194, named 28, called 4, surname + G2007 2, named + G2564 1, not translated 1

    shall be – SUPPLIED

    in G1909 , or, upon
    their foreheads G3359 G3326, Rev_7:3; Rev_13:16, Exo_28:36-38.

    – perfect reflection and resemblance;

    YHWH’s once-hidden face (Exo_33:20) will now be fully disclosed to His people (Joh_1:14-18). For writing on the forehead, the point seems to be that it will be clear that YHWH’s people belong to Him alone.

    When we see YHWH’s face, we will not need any light other than His.
    A soothing light.

    All will have new bodies, bodies that can be present in the presence of YHWH.
    Is it possible that mankind will be clothed in some form of light, kin to the burning bush?

    There can be no darkness where YHWH is.

    “his name” – a mark, an identifier or seal, showing ownership.
    Not necessarily physical, in this case.
    May start spiritual and become physical.
    Opposite of the “mark of the beast”.
    Those who have this name, or mark, will be the ones who see His Face (Luk_24:30-31; Luk_24:35).
    Or was it just the method Yeshua used to actually break the bread?

    CONTINUING in Rev_22:5 :
    and they. Psa_149:9. (Psa_149:1-9)
    shall reign G936 G935 G939.
    The Millennial Kingdom is the reign of the Christ, Head and Body, over humankind and earth, each freed from the assaults of Satan, but remaining still, in measure, in sin and under the curse;

    OTOH, this appears to be during the New Jerusalem period [aka, “the Kingdom of the Perfect Restoration,”] is that of the reign over justified mankind and earth perfectly purified.

    It is an eternal Reign in contrast with the limited Millennial Reign of Rev_20:4; Rev_20:6.
    Rev_2:26; Rev_3:21; Rev_5:10; Rev_11:15; Rev_20:4; Rev_20:6, 1Sa_2:8, Dan_7:18; Dan_7:27, Mic_4:8, Mat_25:34; Mat_25:36, Luk_12:32, Joh_18:36-37, Rom_5:17, 2Ti_2:12, 1Pe_1:3-4.
    for ever and ever G1519 G165 G104.
    Mat_6:13, literally. unto the ages of the ages, Mat_25:46, 2Th_2:16. Gal_1:3-5, Rev_1:6; Rev_14:11; Rev_20:10, Gen_9:12, Dan_7:18; Dan_7:22; Dan_7:27, (for ever,H5705 H5957 even for everH5705 H5957 and ever.H5957 )

    – perfect glory.

    In the texts of the Apocrypha, we find that the righteous shining and also ruling in the future are combined in Wis_3:7-8. (Wisdom of Solomon)

    What does “for ever” mean?

    Unlimited future time
    Without an end, although having a beginning.
    Can also be defined by perspective: YHWH and Yeshua are without ending (Yeshua had a beginning). Whether as justified humans on a perfect earth or as part of the Bride class, the creation MAY have an ending sometime. Yet, as “for ever” applies, IF there is a finite end time for for ever, it will occur AFTER the creation’s end, thus making “for ever” eternal from the creation’s perspective.
    The literal translation “unto the ages of the ages” does not specify how many ages there may be. Only YHWH and Yeshua know that.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:6-21

  15. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:6-7

    As a group, these verses may be considered the Epilogue of the Book; and deal with practical exhortations, warnings, and blessings.
    Divine revelation and exhortation seem to go hand in hand.
    Again from the Apocrypha (not advocating the Apocrypha as an inspired writing, but as a matter of interest) , Tobit’s praise to YHWH (Tob_13:1-18 – KJVA) includes both a description of the final Jerusalem (Tob_13:9-18 – KJVA) and a call to repentance for Israel (Tob_13:6 – KJVA).

    (Tobit 13:1 KJVA) Then Tobit wrote a prayer of rejoicing, and said, Blessed be God that liveth for ever, and blessed be his kingdom.

    (Tobit 13:2 KJVA) For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell, and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand.

    (Tobit 13:3 KJVA) Confess him before the Gentiles, ye children of Israel: for he hath scattered us among them.

    (Tobit 13:4 KJVA) There declare his greatness, and extol him before all the living: for he is our Lord, and he is the God our Father for ever.

    (Tobit 13:5 KJVA) And he will scourge us for our iniquities, and will have mercy again, and will gather us out of all nations, among whom he hath scattered us.

    (Tobit 13:6 KJVA) If ye turn to him with your whole heart, and with your whole mind, and deal uprightly before him, then will he turn unto you, and will not hide his face from you. Therefore see what he will do with you, and confess him with your whole mouth, and praise the Lord of might, and extol the everlasting King. In the land of my captivity do I praise him, and declare his might and majesty to a sinful nation. O ye sinners, turn and do justice before him: who can tell if he will accept you, and have mercy on you?

    (Tobit 13:7 KJVA) I will extol my God, and my soul shall praise the King of heaven, and shall rejoice in his greatness.

    (Tobit 13:8 KJVA) Let all men speak, and let all praise him for his righteousness.

    (Tobit 13:9 KJVA) O Jerusalem, the holy city, he will scourge thee for thy children’s works, and will have mercy again on the sons of the righteous.

    (Tobit 13:10 KJVA) Give praise to the Lord, for he is good: and praise the everlasting King, that his tabernacle may be builded in thee again with joy, and let him make joyful there in thee those that are captives, and love in thee for ever those that are miserable.

    (Tobit 13:11 KJVA) Many nations shall come from far to the name of the Lord God with gifts in their hands, even gifts to the King of heaven; all generations shall praise thee with great joy.

    (Tobit 13:12 KJVA) Cursed are all they which hate thee, and blessed shall all be which love thee for ever.

    (Tobit 13:13 KJVA) Rejoice and be glad for the children of the just: for they shall be gathered together, and shall bless the Lord of the just.

    (Tobit 13:14 KJVA) O blessed are they which love thee, for they shall rejoice in thy peace: blessed are they which have been sorrowful for all thy scourges; for they shall rejoice for thee, when they have seen all thy glory, and shall be glad for ever.

    (Tobit 13:15 KJVA) Let my soul bless God the great King.

    (Tobit 13:16 KJVA) For Jerusalem shall be built up with sapphires and emeralds, and precious stone: thy walls and towers and battlements with pure gold.

    (Tobit 13:17 KJVA) And the streets of Jerusalem shall be paved with beryl and carbuncle and stones of Ophir.

    (Tobit 13:18 KJVA) And all her streets shall say, Alleluia; and they shall praise him, saying, Blessed be God, which hath extolled it for ever.

    But back to our study of accepted Scripture:

    John is in his later life.
    He’s been given these visions – in this case, the angel is appearing to him.
    It’s almost akin to Moses and the burning bush.

    he said G2036. Rev_22:1, Rev_1:6; Rev_21:9; Rev_21:15.
    These G3778. Rev_19:9; Rev_21:5.
    sayings G3056 (logos) G3004. Mar_9:32, Rev_21:5, Rom_3:2.
    faithful G4103 G3982 and true G228 G227 G1. Rev_3:14; Rev_19:11; Rev_21:5, Isa_11:5, 1Co_10:13, 1Ti_1:15.
    As we have discussed recently, “Faithful and true” may represent a testimony oath formula (Rev_3:14; Rev_22:18; Jer_42:5), verifying the absolute truth and reliability of the revelation.

    Lord G2962 God G2316 of G3588 . Rev_22:5, Num_16:22, 1Jn_5:20.
    the holy G40. Luk_1:17 Rev_1:4; Rev_19:10, Num_16:22 1Co_14:32, Heb_12:23.
    prophets G4396 G4253 G5346. Rev_22:9, Rev_10:7; Rev_11:10; Rev_16:6; Rev_18:20; Rev_18:24, Luk_1:70; Luk_16:16, Joh_5:39, Act_3:18; Act_3:21, Rom_1:2, 1Co_12:7; 1Co_12:8; 1Co_12:28, 1Pe_1:11; 1Pe_1:12, 2Pe_1:21; 2Pe_3:2.
    The same God, YHWH, who inspired the ancient prophets and whose message was Truth to them and remains Truth unchanged for eternity (Mal_3:6; Pro_24:21-22).
    NOTE: Many interlinear and literal translations report this phrase as “Lord G2962 God G2316 of the G3588 spirits G4151 G4154 of the G3588 prophets G4396 G4253 G5346 ”
    Does anybody else ver feel like, If life is not going to be this good anymore, then thank you for what there has been and let Your Will be done.
    We all have moments of despair.
    Turning it all over to YHWH, knowing His Faithfulness. (Tit_1:2; Heb_6:18; Luk_22:42-44)
    It is not in YHWH’s Nature to lie, we see evidence of that every day.

    sent G649 G575 G4724 . Rev_1:1, Dan_3:28; Dan_6:22, Mat_13:41, Act_12:11, 2Th_1:7.
    his angel G32 G71. Gen_22:15 Exo_3:2 Dan_3:25 Dan_3:28, Zec_12:8.
    to shew. Rev_1:1, 1Co_2:12.
    his servants G1401 G1210 H5650 . Rev_22:3, Rev_1:1, Php_1:1.
    the things which G3739 . Rev_22:16, Dan_2:28.
    must G1163 . Rev_22:7, Rev_1:3; Rev_4:1, Gen_41:32, 1Co_7:29, 2Pe_3:8-9.
    shortly G1722 G5034 . (“speedily” – Luk_18:8).
    This Greek word seems to be used in prophetic contexts to mean swiftness (Isa_5:19; Dan_9:21), imminence (Luk_18:8; Rom_16:20), swiftness or imminence (Eze_29:5), but not chronological nearness alone . Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1, Isa_13:22, Heb_10:37.
    be done G1096 . Gr. come to pass.

    I come G2064. The words used here are the words of the Redeemer, Christ, repeated by the angel; Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20; Rev_3:11;
    compare Rev_1:7 and Rev_22:16.
    Rev_22:10; Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:7; Rev_2:16; Rev_2:25; Rev_3:3; Rev_3:20, Rev_3:11, Rev_11:3; Rev_16:15, Isa_40:10, Dan_7:13, Mat_24:3; Mat_24:27; Mat_24:30; Mat_26:64, Mar_14:62, Joh_21:22, Act_1:11, Php_4:5, Heb_10:37.
    quickly G5035 G5036 H4116 H4120.
    Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20, Rev_2:5; Rev_2:16; *Rev_3:11; Rev_11:14; Rev_16:15, Isa_5:26 Isa_9:1 Isa_32:4 Isa_49:17 Isa_58:8 Jer_48:16 Jer_49:19 Nah_1:14 Zep_1:14 Mal_3:5 Mat_24:27, Luk_18:7-8, 2Pe_3:8.
    While this word may mean either “soon” or “suddenly”, I believe we all pray for “soon”.
    1Th_5:2; Mat_26:55; Luk_12:39 ; Joh_10:10 1Th_5:4 2Pe_3:10 Rev_3:3 Rev_16:15
    blessed G3107 H1288 . Deu_28:3. Rev_22:9; Rev_22:14, Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13; Rev_16:15; Rev_19:9; Rev_20:6.
    “Blessed” begins the sixth of the seven “beatitudes” in Revelation (others: Rev_22:14; Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13; Rev_16:15; Rev_19:9; Rev_20:6).
    keepeth G5083 . Mat_19:17. Rev_1:3; Rev_3:8, Isa_1:19, Mat_23:3, Joh_2:5; Joh_2:10; Joh_5:39; Joh_17:6, Act_17:11, 1Th_5:20, 2Ti_3:16; 2Ti_3:17, Jas_1:22, 1Pe_1:4, 1Jn_2:5.
    sayings G3056
    KJV – word, 173; words, 48; saying, 33; sayings, 16; account, 8; speech, 8; matter, 4; utterance, 4; things, 3; communication, 2; reason, 2; thing, 2; work, 2; cause, 1; communications, 1; concerning, 1; do, 1; doctrine, 1; fame, 1; intent, 1; mouth, 1; move, 1; preaching, 1; question, 1; reckoneth, 1; rumor, 1; say, 1; show, 1; speaker, 1; talk, 1; tidings, 1; treatise, 1; word’s, 1
    the prophecy G4394 G4396 G4253 G5346 . Rev_22:10; Rev_22:18-19, Rev_1:3.
    this book G975 G976  . Rev_22:20, Luk_4:17, Act_1:20.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:8-21

  16. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:8

    And I G1473 . Rev_19:10.
    John G2491 H3310 . Rev_1:1; Rev_1:4; Rev_1:9, Mat_10:2.
    saw G991. Luk_1:1-4, Joh_19:35, 2Pe_1:16, 1Jn_1:1-3; 1Jn_4:14.
    these things G5023 . Joh_21:24.
    and heard G191 . 1Jn_1:1.
    them – SUPPLIED
    And when G3753 G3739 G5037 . Act_12:11, 2Co_12:2.
    I fell down G4098 . In Rev_19:9-10 John was in danger of mis-identifying another entity as Yeshua; here he is about to make the similar mistake. Rev_1:17, Rev_19:10; Rev_19:19, Jos_5:14, Psa_95:6, Dan_2:46; Dan_8:17, Mat_4:9, Mar_5:22; Mar_7:25, Luk_5:8, Joh_11:32, Act_10:25-26.
    It’ds important to make sure we get the right entity in the right place.
    worship G4352 G4314 G2965 . Mat_2:2; Rev_4:10, Psa_95:6, Mat_2:11; Mat_4:8-10; Mat_8:2, Luk_4:7, Act_10:25, Col_1:9; Col_1:10; Col_1:12; Col_2:18.
    before G1715 the feet G4228 . Mar_7:25, Joh_11:32, Act_10:25.
    the angel G32 . Rev_7:11, Gen_24:40, Psa_103:21, Zec_1:9, 2Th_1:7.
    which shewed me G1166. Rev_22:1; Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1; Rev_4:1; Rev_17:1; Rev_21:9-10.

    John was simply overwhelmed.
    John confirms that he was the one who saw and heard these things.
    When Yeshua was asked, “teach us to pray”, He said “OUR Father” – not praying to Yeshua.

    See G3708 . 1Th_5:15, Heb_12:25.
    thou do it – SUPPLIED
    not G3361 . Rev_19:10, Exo_20:3; Exo_34:14, Deu_4:19, Mat_14:33; Mat_28:5; Mat_28:17, Luk_20:36; Luk_24:52, Joh_4:23-24; Joh_20:28, Act_10:25; Act_10:26; Act_14:11-18, Col_2:18-19, 1Jn_5:21.
    fellowservant G4889 G4862 G1401 G1210 . Rev_6:11; Rev_19:10, Psa_103:21, Mat_23:8, Act_10:26, Php_1:1.
    thyG4675 brethrenG80 – 346 times in Greek Text; always translated as “brethren”, “brother” or “brothers”
    theG3588 prophets,G4396 G4253 G5346 – 149 times in Greek Text; always translated as “prophets”, “prophet” or “prophet’s”
    In Rev_19:10, it is “of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus.” – KJV.
    Here the angel seems to say that, in the capacity in which he appeared to John, he belonged to the general rank of the prophets, and was no more entitled to worship than any of the prophets had been.
    Like the prophets, he had merely been assigned to disclose important truths in regard to the future; but as the prophets, even the most eminent of them, were not regarded as entitled to worship on account of the communications which they had made, he, the angel, was not either.
    And that, he had no claims to such homage, and that the praise which John offered him should be rendered to YHWH alone.
    So it seems that the take-home message is to be careful in our worship; not to allow our feelings to overcome us; and not to render that homage to a mere creature which is due to YHWH alone.
    QUESTION: Do we interpret this as a prohibition against the worship of the Virgin Mary, of the saints, and any other of creation and that no homage or worship should be rendered to a created being and that worship and homage is due to YHWH only?
    Yes – Scripture tell us not to worship any created thing. Only YHWH.

    QUESTION 2: So, is begetting the same as, or different from, creation?
    Should we pray to Yeshua in addition to YHWH?
    Exo_34:14, Deu_6:13; Deu_10:20, Mat_4:10, Rev_19:10; Rev_22:9. 1Sa_7:3, 2Ki_19:15, Psa_83:18, Isa_2:11.
    Yeshua quoted Scripture – the Word of YHWH. Many times, He started His comments with “It is written….”
    Also, Php_2:10; Isa_45:23; Rom_14:11

    QUESTION 3: So, if we are not supposed to worship Yeshua Himself, what’s all this “in Jesus’ Name” stuff about?
    Joh_15:7; Joh_15:16; Joh_16:23; Mat_7:7-8

    Our prayers cannot get thru to YHWH except thru Yeshua.

    Holy G40 Spirit G4151 (Ruach Hakodesh) (Joh_14:15-17; Eph_4:30)
    A he? it? her?
    Impossible for humans to wrap our minds around the Spirit’s essence.
    An invisible force that can affect us? Similar to gravity?
    That the sin against the Holy Spirit is called “blasphemy” implies a final and unalterable decision has been made.
    The sin that is unforgivable seems to be the knowing refusal when the Holy Spirit enters our hearts and minds and enlightens us to understand and accept the forgiveness Christ and His Ransom Sacrifice offers.
    Particularly in reference to the leaders of Israel, Jesus had offered them all the proof that could be expected—the ministry of John, the testimony of the Father, the prophecies of the OT, His own testimony, and the substantiation by the Holy Spirit.
    They rejected all proofs regarding Yeshua as Messiah.
    Nothing else was to be given.
    Mat_23:38; Luk_13:35; Amo_7:9 

    Paul seemed afraid that Satan would deceive the Corinthians, causing their minds to be corrupted or turned away from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    The Greek word translated simplicity is used in 2 Corinthians of sincerity (2Co_1:12) and generosity (2Co_8:2, 2Co_8:9).
    The Corinthians had a sincere singleness of heart toward Christ, which expressed itself in generosity.
    If Satan could get them to believe something not true, he would destroy their genuine attitude toward YHWH.
    As we see with organizations today, one practical effect would be add layers of complexity to the simple Truth of Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice and, through adulterating His Truth, add confusion, followed by error, thus negating His Truth with the traditions of men (through Satan). Col_2:8 
    We should never underestimate the strategies of the great deceiver.
    The best antidote to his influence is to focus on Christ, the light that exposes the darkness, without adding or removing even a jot or tittle. (Mat_5:18
    Rev_22:18-19; Deu_4:2; Pro_30:5-6)


    which keep G5083. Rev_22:7, Pro_7:1.
    The angel appears to be saying that, like humankind, angels are bound to observe YHWH’s Law.
    To carefully observe – discussing keeping prophecy.
    In order to keep them, one must understand it – hard to to keep what one does not understand what he’s supposed to keep.
    The “sayings of this book” which he says he kept, seems to mean YHWH’s rules and requirements, and that they are of equal obligation on humankind and angels alike.

    There are 2 kinds of people:
    The blessed who keep the sayings and those who do not and are not blessed.
    There are also those who are set apart and sealed.

    worship G4352 G4314 God G2316 . Exo_34:14; Rev_4:10; Rev_9:20; Rev_14:7; Rev_15:4, Deu_26:10, Jos_5:14, 2Ki_17:36, Psa_45:11; Psa_96:9, Mat_4:9; Mat_4:10; Mat_8:2, Luk_4:7-8, Joh_4:22; Joh_4:23; Joh_5:23, Php_2:10, Heb_1:6.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:10

  17. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:10

    he saith G3004 . Rev_22:12-13; Rev_22:16; Rev_22:20, Rev_19:9.
    Seal G4972 G4973 not. Mat_27:66.
    This book is to be left open for all to read (Rev_1:3; Rev_13:18; Rev_17:9; Rev_22:7; Rev_22:18) Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_5:1; Rev_5:5; Rev_5:9; Rev_10:2; Rev_10:4, Deu_29:29, Isa_8:16; Isa_30:8, Eze_3:27, Dan_8:26;
    Dan_12:4; Dan_12:8; Dan_12:9, Mat_10:27; Mat_13:11; Mat_24:15; Mat_27:66, Joh_3:33, 2Ti_2:7.
    In Rev_10:4 John was commanded to seal up G4972 G4973 (that is, to keep secret) the utterances of the seven thunders, just as Daniel had been instructed to do (Dan_12:4, Dan_12:9; Dan_12:7) (the idea in their being commanded to seal them seems to be, that they should make a record – certain and unchangeable; that they should finish it, and lay it up for future ages; so that, in far-distant times, the events might be compared with the prophecy, and it might be seen that there was an exact correspondence between the prophecy and the fulfillment. (Jer_23:20; Jer_30:24)).
    Also, to keep these Words from the Adversary – to prevent him from misrepresenting these things.
    It is not unreasonable that the reason John is now told not to seal the book is that the time of its fulfillment is potentially very near.
    Also, Mar_4:10-12, the people of YHWH, following Yeshua, they will understand, by Holy Spirit and without being told, whereas the people without would not understand.
    KJV: seal 22, set to (one’s) seal 1, stop 1, seal up 1, set a seal 1, vr seal 1
    of this book G975 G976 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:18, Rev_1:3; Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_13:18; Rev_17:9.
    for the time G2540 . 2Ti_3:1,
    season; the word implies a particular time; as related to some event, a convenient, appropriate time; absolutely, a particular point of time, or a particular season, like spring or winter
    Mat_12:1 Rev_1:3, Isa_13:6, Eze_12:23, Dan_12:4, Mat_12:1, Rom_13:12, 2Th_2:3, 1Pe_4:7.
    at hand G1451 . Mat_24:32
    Historically, Isaiah predicted the overthrow of Babylon (Isa_13:6 (Isa_13:1-22); Isa_44:27-28) 160 years before it happened, using the terms “soon” and “near”, showing that the terms eggus G1451 and tachus G5036 (swift, as in Jas_1:19) do not require temporal immediacy (the length of time between an act and the consequences resulting from that act), and aspects of the predictions remain to be fulfilled.
    The use of the term “at hand” designates immanency (impending, or soon) rather than immediacy (instant, or nearly so) in prophecies of “the day of the Lord is at hand” or near.
    That is, they are soon to commence. It is not implied that they would be soon completed.
    Rev_22:7, Rev_1:1; Rev_1:3, Isa_13:6; Isa_30:13, Eze_30:3, Joe_1:15; Joe_2:1; Joe_3:14, Oba_1:15, Zep_1:7; Zep_1:14, Mat_25:6; Mat_25:13; Mat_25:19, Mar_13:32-37, 1Co_7:29, Heb_11:13, 1Pe_1:10-12.

    Used to say that Revelation was a mystery, but the mystery is unraveling as we go through our time, for example, seeing Israel come back to the Promised Land.

    The righteous would stand, but the wicked would continue in their wickedness (Dan_12:10).
    John’s exhortation here resembles a balanced invitation: let those who choose to reject YHWH’s Word continue do so, but they will surely reap what they sow (Job_4:8  Eze_3:27; Jer_44:25; Amo_4:4-5; Ecc_11:9);
    as will those who strive to follow YHWH’s Word (Hos_10:12)

    He that is unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 . or, unrighteous [ASV, NWT]. or, injustice. Mat_20:13)
    In Revelation rendered
    (1) hurt: Rev_2:11; Rev_6:6; Rev_7:2-3; Rev_9:4; Rev_9:10; Rev_9:19; Rev_11:5,
    (2) unjust: Rev_22:11 (twice)]. Rev_16:8-11; Rev_16:21,
    Also, Psa_81:12, Pro_1:24-33; Pro_14:32, Ecc_11:3, Eze_3:27, Dan_12:10, Mat_15:14; Mat_21:19; Mat_25:10-13; Mat_25:46, Mar_3:29, Luk_16:26, Joh_8:21, Rom_8:13, 2Ti_3:13, Jas_1:21.
    KJV: hurt 10, do wrong 8, wrong 2, suffer wrong 2, be unjust 2, take wrong 1, injure 1, be an offender 1, vr hope
    let him be unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 still G2089 . Gen_13:6, Jdg_10:14, Psa_69:27; Psa_101:8, Ecc_1:15; Ecc_11:3, Isa_22:14; Isa_32:6, Eze_3:27; Eze_20:39, Dan_12:10, Mal_3:18; Mat_23:31-32; Mat_26:45, Joh_9:4; Joh_13:27, Act_24:25, 2Co_6:2, Heb_12:17.
    is filthy G4510 G4509 . or, morally defiled Num_19:13; Num_19:20, Psa_53:3; Psa_69:24-28, Eze_24:13; Eze_47:11, Jas_1:21; Jas_2:2, 1Pe_3:21.
    be filthy still. Psa_69:24-28, Eze_24:13; Eze_47:11, Hos_4:17, Zec_11:9, Mat_25:10, Mar_11:14, Luk_13:25, Act_16:26, 1Co_14:38, Gal_6:8, 1Th_2:16.
    and he that is righteous G1342 G1349 . Rev_22:3, Rev_7:13-15, Jos_24:15, 1Ki_18:21, Job_17:9, Psa_112:9, Pro_4:18; Pro_11:30; Pro_11:31, Isa_32:17, Eze_18:20, Mat_5:6, Eph_5:27, Col_1:22, Jud_1:24.
    be righteous G1344 G1342 G1349 . Some texts e.g., Rotherham) read “do (or work) righteousness” . Psa_119:44, Eze_33:15, 1Jn_2:29; 1Jn_3:7.
    is holy G40 . Rev_3:7, *Rom_12:1, Lev_11:44, *1Co_3:17, +**Heb_12:14.
    let him be holy G37 still. or, let him be made holy.
    The states of both the evil and the good are now fixed forever.
    There is no word here about a “another chance” hereafter . 1Co_6:11, 2Pe_1:4.

    unjust … filthy … righteous … holy:
    This verse, on the surface, seems to be a prediction that believers and unbelievers will live out their lives true to their nature until judgment (Rev_20:12-15; Mal_3:16)
    Hebrew word for “salvation” =
    yesh-oo’-aw (English = Jesus, Joshua)
    Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: – deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
    Total KJV occurrences: 78



    However, could this be an implied, indirect appeal to those who have chosen an unjust and filthy nature based on the continuing offer of the gospel in Rev_22:17 and Rev_14:6-7?
    The two witnesses issue a wakeup call to everybody.
    Do not rebel against YHWH, but obey.
    These were saved people (out of Egypt), yet they did not make it into the Promised Land.
    If we get into a life of sin and disobedience, we may not make it into the Promised Land.

    Still G2089, four times repeated, seems to imply a permanence of character, so that,
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still – seems to refer to a time beyond the judgment, and may be intended to affirm an important truth in regard to the condition of people in the future state.
    How can it refer to the condition of human beings on this side the grave, since there is no fixed and unchangeable condition in this world. (Rom_6:17, 1Co_6:9-11)
    In this Epilogue (Rev_22:6-21), John seems to have been directed to clearly and firmly point out that when these events are completed, everything would be fixed and unchanging; that all who were then found to be righteous would remain so forever; and that none who were unjust and filthy, would ever change their character or condition.
    This seems to harmonize with all that is said in the Bible of the final condition of the righteous and the wicked.
    Mat_25:46; Rom_2:6-9; 1Th_1:7-10; Dan_12:2; Ecc_11:3.

    QUESTION: Every assurance is held out in the Bible that the righteous will be secure in holiness and happiness, and that there will be no danger – no possibility – that they will fall into sin, and sink to woe; and by the same kind of arguments by which it is proved that their condition will be unchanging, is it demonstrated that the condition of the wicked will be unchanging also?
    It has to be taken in context.
    As Revelation climaxes, no matter what YHWH does, people are not going to change their characters – – not that they could not change, but they choose not to change.
    This gives YHWH justification for judging them.

    While there is an argument that an eternal punishment of the wicked is as strong as that for the eternal happiness of the righteous, the question has to be asked that is that is truly in harmony with YHWH’s Justice?

    The phrase “unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 still G2089” here seems to indicate that the humans who choose that character will remain so forever, by their own choice.
    The design of this seems to be, to warn the ungodly and the wicked that there is no change beyond the Millennial Kingdom, and to plead with them now to avoid the wrath to come (Deu_5:29, Jas_4:7 ).

    And he which is filthy, let him be filthy G4510 G4509 still G2089 – The word “filthy” here is, of course, used with reference to moral defilement or pollution. And once again, still G2089 seems to imply a crystallization and permanence of character, so that, referring to the sensual, the corrupt, the profane; it implies that their condition will be fixed, and that they will remain in this state of pollution forever. What an unhappy thought that a polluted soul will be always polluted; that a heart corrupt will be always corrupt; that the defiled will be put forever beyond the possibility of being cleansed from sin.
    And he that is righteous, let him be righteous still – the state of your position, what YHWH makes you – The just, the upright man, the innocent man – opposite from the unjust mentioned in the first part of the verse.
    And he that is holy, let him be holy still – a state of character; what you are; can be transferred from YHWH to another. – He that is pure (without sin, blemish or spot), the opposite from the filthy mentioned in the former part of the verse.
    The righteous and the holy will be confirmed in their character and condition, as well as the wicked.
    innocency H2136

    The affirmation that their condition will be fixed is as strong as that that of the wicked will be – and no stronger; the entire representation is, that all beyond the Millennial Kingdom will be unchanging forever.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:12

  18. bereanbible says:

    This is a comment on this subject from a reader:

    a little something I composed: The way I see it is that the great JHVH, the Master of the Universe knows what he is doing. He put those numbers at the end of Daniel 12:9-12 for a reason and we will not have to wait till Daniel’s resurrection to understand it. He said that no wicked one will understand but only those who have insight will. Insight into what? Insight into Jehovah’s ways. Those ways are of no value to us unless we choose to make them our ways also. We have absolutely no spiritual growth until we bow in complete submission to him in full consecration. Then, and only then are our spiritual eyes opened to what is going on in this world right now. We then can “see” his presence is slowly tearing down this world. Every man born has a sense of justice, which Jehovah “hot-wired” into us. We know there has to be something more than this current groaning state of man. As Jacob said: “God is in this place and I did not know it” Gen 28:16 also see Matt 28:20 and Col.1:27 He always reveals himself to the obedient. LET YOUR KINGDOM COME 😍

    • Bro Dave says:

      THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your comments.
      And THANKS, too, for your Scripture references.
      I welcome any future insights you may wish to contribute.
      ALL Scripture-based opinions are more than welcomed by our Fellowship.
      I completely agree with your comments about the choice we make (of our own free will) and our submission (aka, obedience).

      (Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJV)  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

      (Mark 12:28 KJV)  And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
      (Mark 12:29 KJV)  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
      (Mark 12:30 KJV)  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
      (Mark 12:31 KJV)  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
      (Mark 12:32 KJV)  And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
      (Mark 12:33 KJV)  And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
      (Mark 12:34 KJV)  And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

  19. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:12

    I come G2064 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:16; Rev_22:17; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:7, Psa_96:13, Isa_40:10; Isa_48:12, Zep_1:14, Mat_9:1, 1Th_2:19, Jas_5:8.
    quickly G5035 G5036 . Rev_22:7 , Rev_22:10; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:3; Rev_3:11.
    my reward G3408 . or, pay for service; wages. “Reward” can be either good or bad. Rev_22:19, Rev_11:18; Rev_19:20, Psa_19:9; Psa_19:11, Isa_3:10-11; Isa_40:10; Isa_62:11, Jer_14:10, Mat_6:4; Mat_7:21-23; Mat_25:31-46, Luk_14:14, Joh_5:22; Joh_5:27, Act_10:42, Rom_14:10; Rom_14:12, 1Co_3:8; 1Co_3:12-15; 1Co_9:17-18, 2Co_5:10, Col_3:24, 2Ti_4:1, Heb_11:6, 2Pe_2:13.
    is with G3326 me G1700. Mat_25:10, Act_10:42, Rom_13:11.
    to give G591 . or, to recompense; to render. Rev_20:12, 1Ki_8:39, Jer_32:19, Mat_16:27, Luk_16:2, Act_4:33, Rom_2:6-11; Rom_14:12, 2Co_5:10.
    every man G1538 . or, each one. Gal_6:5.
    according as G5613 . Rev_2:23, 1Ki_8:39, Job_34:11, Psa_28:4; Psa_62:12, Pro_24:12, Jer_17:10; Jer_32:19, Eze_18:30; Eze_33:15; Eze_33:20, Mat_12:36; Mat_16:27, Rom_2:2; Rom_2:6; Rom_2:16, 2Co_5:10; 2Co_6:11, Eph_6:8, Gal_6:7.
    work G2041
    KJV: work 152, deed 22, doing 1, labour 1
    shall be G2071 . {Future tense of G1510}
    KJV: shall be 151, will be 9, be 6, shall have 6, shall come to pass 4, shall 4

    The Old Testament and Judaism stressed that YHWH was righteous and would reward his people (Gen_15:1; Psa_18:20; Psa_19:11; Isa_49:4).
    That YHWH would give each person according to his or her works.H4639 G2041 was also Old Testament teaching (Psa_62:12; Rev_20:12).
    The thought seems to be in harmony with reaping what we sow.

    A reward for His faithfulness.

    YHWH rewards us on this earth, as it pleases Him.

    Also, Gal_6:8-9
    We need to be kind to everyone, especially our brethren.

    YHWH’s commands are all for our own good, and the good of all humans – all out of agape love.
    Even in tribulation, it is all for our benefit, even if we do not realize it.

    The rewarding of each believer “accordingG4314 to thatG3739 he hath done,G4238 whetherG1535 it be [SUPPLIED] goodG18 orG1535 bad.G2556 ” (2Co_5:10), and, Mat_25:31-46, Mat_16:27, Rom_2:6. (Rom_1:18-32 – Rom_2:1-11)

    If Christ’s rewards (Rom_2:10-11) are meant to provide a powerful incentive for an obedient life, then, little wonder that the apostle Paul rigorously disciplined himself so that he would not be disqualified from the reward of reigning with Christ (1Co_9:24-27).
    We should not please our Father out of expectation of reward, but because we love YHWH and desire to please Him.

    The judgment seat of Christ can be a time of great regret, or it can be an occasion of supreme joy (2Co_5:9-11).
    2Co_5:9 This suggests that the believer should make it his aim to be well pleasing to the Lord. And, that while his salvation is not dependent on works, his reward in a coming day will be directly proportionate to his faithfulness to the Lord.
    This is about this relationship – this at-one-ment – with YHWH.
    We want to please Him; we want to be obedient to His Commandments.
    As we attempt to please Hime, we do not concern ourselves with either reward or punishment, just pleasing Him.

    Which is it?
    Yeshua had to obey, too.

    As Bereans, we should always remember that faith is linked with salvation,
    Gal_2:16; Gal_2:19, Gal_3:10-12; Gal_5:4, Job_9:2-3; Job_9:29; Job_25:4, Psa_130:3-4, Mat_4:4, Luk_10:25-29, Act_13:38; Act_13:39, Rom_3:19-20; Rom_3:27-28; Rom_4:2; Rom_4:13-15, Php_3:9; Gal_3:2; Gal_3:5; Gal_3:10, Rom_2:15, Heb_6:1; Heb_9:14, Tit_3:5.; Gal_3:13-14; Gal_3:22-24; Gal_4:5, Hab_2:4, Rom_1:17; Rom_3:21-26; Rom_3:28; Rom_3:30; Rom_4:5-6; Rom_4:24-25; Rom_5:1; Rom_5:2; Rom_5:8; Rom_5:9; Rom_8:3; Rom_8:30-34; Rom_9:30; Rom_10:10, 1Co_6:11, 2Co_5:19-21, Eph_3:12, Php_3:9, Heb_7:18-19.

    How do we harmonize these Scriptures with Jas_2:1-26? (Jas_2:17-18)
    Not the same as salvation.
    Salvation is from YHWH’s Grace (which is the Torah).
    Sin is being disobedient to YHWH.
    We no longer have to worry about sin due to Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice.

    When we have true faith, our works will show our faith.

    Our faith will be from our love, and our works will reflect this love and this faith.

    Faith is demonstrated by what we do (works).

    So, if faith is linked with salvation, then are works are linked with reward?
    Rev_2:23, 1Ki_8:39, Job_34:11, Psa_28:4; Psa_62:12, Pro_24:12, Jer_17:10; Jer_32:19, Eze_18:30; Eze_33:15; Eze_33:20, Mat_12:36; Mat_16:27, Rom_2:2; Rom_2:6; Rom_2:16, 2Co_5:10; 2Co_6:11, Eph_6:8, Gal_6:7.

    He is saved by YHWH’s grace through faith, not of works; but once he is saved, shouldn’t he should be ambitious to perform good works, and do these Scriptures not teach that for so doing he will receive reward?

    Notice that Paul wanted to be well pleasing to Him, whether present or absent.
    Does this suggest that Paul’s service on earth was designed to bring pleasure to the heart of his Lord, whether Paul was still here on earth or whether he was standing before the Judgment Seat of Christ?

    2Co_5:10 One motive for being well pleasing to Christ is that we must all appear G5319 G5318 G5316 before His judgment seat G968.
    Actually it is not just a matter of appearing there, but of being made manifest.

    APPEAR (Made MANIFEST) – G5319
    Thayer Definition:
    1) to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
    1a) make actual and visible, realized
    1b) to make known by teaching
    1c) to become manifest, be made known
    1d) of a person
    1d1) expose to view, make manifest, to show one’s self, appear
    1e) to become known, to be plainly recognized, thoroughly understood
    1e1) who and what one is
    Part of Speech: verb
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5318

    Vine’s definition of manifest: “to uncover, lay bare reveal.”
    Some literal translations interpret it as, “We must all have our lives laid open before the tribunal of Christ.”
    It is one thing to appear in a doctor’s office and quite another thing to be X-rayed in our “altogether”.

    This verse (2Co_5:10) seems to indicate that The judgment seat of Christ will reveal our lives of service for Christ EXACTLY as they have truly been. Not just the amount of our service, but also its quality, and even the very motives that prompted it will be brought into review.
    Although our sins after consecration will have an effect on our service, a believer’s sins, as such, do not appear to be brought into review for judgment at this time.
    That judgment took place over 2000 years ago, when the Messiah paid the Ransom Sacrifice on the tree.
    He fully paid the debt that our sins deserved, and YHWH will never bring those sins into judgment again (Joh_5:24).

    The judgment seat of Christ has to do with our service for YHWH.
    It does not appear to be a matter of whether we are saved or not; that is already an assured fact.
    But it is a matter of reward and loss at that time.

    A person doing evil right now is already saved by the free gift of the Ransom, but he can repent and convert and gain resurrection from the dead, and may get everlasting life, yet his works will not gain him wonderful rewards.

    Rev_22:13. and Rev_1:8

    I am. Neh_9:6, Zec_12:8; Zec_13:7.
    Alpha G1 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:11; Rev_21:6, Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12, Rom_11:36, Col_1:16.
    the beginning G746 G756 . Rev_21:6, Gen_1:1, Isa_65:17, Joh_1:1, Col_1:18.
    the end G5056 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:17; Rev_3:14; Rev_21:6, Isa_9:6, Mic_5:2 Mal_3:6, Mat_28:19 Joh_1:1-3; Joh_8:58; Joh_17:5, Col_1:17, Heb_12:2; Heb_13:8.
    the first G4413 . Rev_1:17; Rev_2:8, Isa_41:4; Isa_43:10; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12, Joh_13:32, Col_1:18.
    and the last G2078 .
    Who is this about?
    Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12
    OR (or, AND?)
    The first and the last of the creation of YHWH. (Col_1:13-20 )
    Of YHWH’s direct creation. ( Joh_1:14 , Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9 )
    Yeshua was the first of YHWH’s creatures, the only being directly created. YHWH did all subsequent creating through the Son. (1Co_8:6, Joh_8:58)
    The beginner and finisher of the wondrous plan, though not its author. (Pro_8:22-30)

    Divine attributes claimed and exercised by Christ.
    Authority supreme. Col_2:10.
    Authority to see his own glory supremely. Col_1:16. Heb_9:14.
    Eternity. Mic_5:2.
    Immutability. Heb_13:8.
    Omnipotence. 1Co_1:24.
    Omnipresence. Mat_18:20.
    Omniscience. Mat_9:4. Heb_4:13.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  20. Bro Dave says:

    ADDENDUM to Study Notes from 11/5/2020

    There was quite a lively discussion amongst our Fellowship on verse Rev_22:12. and it’s related verses (see the Notes above).
    So much so that it was impossible for me to write down each person’s comments with any accuracy.
    After reviewing the meeting, here are notes of others’ comments concerning this portion of our discussion of :
    How do we harmonize the Scriptures which seem to suggest that faith alone is required for salvation with Jas_2:1-26? (Jas_2:17-18)
    Please refer back to the original notes for context.

    Is there a Scripture that comes out and says that salvation is through faith alone?

    Whoever believes in Him – that’s the faith part.
    Shall have everlasting life –
    Everlasting G166 life G2222  is not the same as salvation G4991
    Everlasting life is a reward element, if we are obedient.

    Also, Rom_3:27-28
    In the context of this Scripture, it is contrasting faith with works OF LAW.
    This Scripture is talking about something completely different than the “works” in James.
    The Jews believed you had to do the works of the Law (of Moses) to please YHWH, whereas, this Scripture is saying that YHWH is not just for the Jews, but also the Gentiles, who have never known the Law.

    For example, The Law said a man had to be circumcised (Act 15:1-5), and this Scripture is talking about those “works of the Law”.
    Circumcision was actually a sign of the covenant between Abraham and YHWH (Gen_17:11 ).

    The word, grace G5485 G5463, in Rom_6:14, in the Torah, the Torah is grace H2580 H2603 from YHWH.
    Both Paul and John mention that what the Law is has nothing to do with salvation, everlasting life or pleasing YHWH.
    The Law tells us what sin is.
    For Jews, Gentiles and Christians, sin is being disobedient to YHWH (1Jn_3:4).
    When we were “dead indeed unto sin” (Rom_6:11) is when we sin against YHWH.
    Paul explains the Law and sin in Rom_7:1-25.
    Sin is a problem, but THWH overcame that problem by His Son.
    Through Yeshua’s Atonement Sacrifice, covers our sin and we no longer have to concern ourselves with sin.
    We must put our faith in Christ to benefit from His Sacrifice.

    Agape Love, Faith and Works all go together: Faith is demonstrated by what we do (our works).

    All of mankind has been saved from sin by Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice.
    Some will not take advantage and will not attain everlasting life.
    Others, through their faith and their works, will attain everlasting life.
    And if they have done great works, their reward will be great.
    But the salvation part has nothing to do with the reward.
    “Once saved, always saved” applies.
    YHWH has given salvation to the world (Joh_3:16) and He is not going to take it back.
    It’s a free gift through His Grace.
    Not everyone deserves this – most of the “world” doesn’t know Him at all and are not worthy of His Gift, but He did it anyway.
    So we’re saved.

    The question is, what are we going to do with our salvation?
    Are we going to take advantage of it’s benefits and receive eternal life or are we going to look that salvation in the face and say, “I want to die”?

    That’s why Yeshua died on the cross: He saved mankind.
    Now we can get life, IF we put faith in Him.
    A free gift without conditions.

    So, one of YHWH’s children could be bad to the bone. All the days if his life he could do nothing but evil.
    Yet, Yeshua’s Ransom Sacrifice was for him, too, and he is given a resurrection (salvation).
    If he does not take advantage of this resurrection, then by his own choice he will wind up in the lake of fire (eternal destruction) (Rev_20:14-15).
    Why? Because if he was doing bad, he is going to continue doing bad (Rev_22:11).
    The food was prepared for him but he refused to eat it.



     As for the Alep to Tav (A to Z), there is an idiom that something expressed in its entirety is said to be covered from Aleph (1st letter) to Tav (last letter) of the Hebrew aleph beit. (Alpha bet to us).

    It is a complete blessing, perfection, and so on…. For God he is perfection, there is no comparison to Him and in Hebrew thought there is no other language that compares to Hebrew.

    One example, The detailed blessings promised those who observe the whole Torah begin with the letter Aleph in (Lev_26:3) and end with the letter Tav in Lev_26:13. An indication that the Word of God is perfect. (Rom_7:12)

    There are other interesting things with letters and words in the Hebrew that English, of course misses. An example of the letter Tav being used alone in Eze_9:4, the mark to be put on foreheads of the people mentioned here is the letter Tav in the Hebrew text. 

    (Ezekiel 9:4 KJV)  And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.


    (Ezekiel 9:4 OJB) And Hashem said unto him, Go through the midst of the Ir, through the midst of Yerushalayim, and put a TAV upon the mitzekhot (foreheads) of the anashim that grieve and lament for kol hato’evot that are being done in the midst thereof.

    The Wisdom of the Hebrew Alphabet gives interesting insight into the letters and meanings of each of the words, and in the case of Hebrew, the letters or lack thereof can change the meaning or give proper context to the text, especially in ancient Hebrew where there were no vowels and context determined the word, since many times the spelling would be the same for more than one word, therefore context determined which word belonged in the text.

    Surely, had God not blinded the Jews they would easily get that Messiah had come..

    I am extremely happy to get these comments from our Fellowship posted, even a little late.

    Please remember, as one of our Fellowship said, these can be uncomfortable concepts to get on our own, that is, without some other human, dead or alive, telling us what we’re “supposed” to believe.

    This difference in understanding may be the reason there are thousands of religions and churches in the world, all claiming to have exclusive knowledge of “the Truth”.

    Through our – and your, if you choose to undertake it – study of YHWH’s Word without human or organizational filtering (and without added burden of human tradition) and the struggle to understand His Word, we make YHWH’s Truth our own:


  21. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study by reviewing:
    Revelation 22:13

    Who is this about?
    Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12
    OR (or, AND?)
    The first and the last of the creation of YHWH. (Col_1:12-20 )
    Of YHWH’s direct creation.( Joh_1:14 , Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9 )
    Yeshua was the first of YHWH’s creatures, the only being directly created. YHWH did all subsequent creating through the Son. (1Co_8:6, Joh_8:58)
    The beginner and finisher of the wondrous plan, though not its author. (Pro_8:22-31)


    The prophecy of Yeshua.
    The mighty H1368 God, H410
    1Jo_5:20; Joh_20:28; 1Ti_3:16;

    What prohibits YHWH and Yeshua from having the same appellations that apply to both of them?

    At this point, YHWH will have fulfilled ALL His Promises, and is telling us what is about to come.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  22. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study by reviewing:
    Revelation 22:13

    Isa_46:9-10 (Isa_46:9-11)
    (Isaiah 46:9 YLT)  Remember former things of old, For I am Mighty [God – KJV, ASV] H410 , and there is none else, God H430 —and there is none like Me.

    But NOT just YHWH:
    (Judges 16:24 KJV+)  And when the peopleH5971 sawH7200 him, they praisedH1984 (H853) their god:H430 forH3588 they said,H559 Our god H430 hath deliveredH5414 into our handsH3027 (H853) our enemy,H341 and the destroyerH2717 of our country,H776 whichH834 slew manyH7235 (H853) H2491 of us.

    (Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV+)  Hear,H8085 O Israel:H3478 The LORD H3068 our God H430 is oneH259 LORD: H3068

    (Isaiah 46:13 KJV)  I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
    Clearly this is YHWH speaking.

    Discussion of various Interlinear Bibles.

    “all”. “all” vs. “all sorts of”

    Review Rev_20:11-15
    This might encompass more than just standing before the throne and being judged.
    Does Rev_22:11 have something to do with this?

    At the end:
    Enemies – Satan is done away with, sin and death are the last enemies done away with (sin leads to death).
    Sin = disobedience of YHWH’s Law.
    At beginning, only one Law – don’t eat that fruit.
    In the end, AFTER the Millennial Kingdom and all enemies are gone, if we are holy, just and good, will we have the ability to disobey YHWH?
    We don’t have information about this.
    The really dangerous time is going to be the “little season”.
    Does anyone find that they are being assaulted by thoughts that seem bad or evil more than usual?
    Rom_10:12-13 (Joe_2:32; Act_2:21; Pro_18:10)

    The world seems like a much worse , a more evil, place today than it was 40-50 years ago.

    11/26/2020 (Thanksgiving night)
    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  23. Bro Dave says:


    Tonight we had a wonderful fellowship, although we did mention the Textus Receptus versus NA/UBS (Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society) sources.

    (Luk_21:28 KJV)  And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    Luk_20:1-47 thru Luk_21:1-37
    Jer_10:2; Mat_24:33
    Psa_98:5-9; Isa_12:1-3, Isa_25:8-9, Isa_60:1-2
    Rom_8:19, Rom_8:23; Eph_1:14,


    Question: Who is OUR neighbor?

    Mat_19:16-30 (Mar_10:17-31)


    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  24. Bro Dave says:


    One of our Fellowship presented a Question that needs scriptures.
    He wants to know if resurrected ones are angels according to scripture. (A summation of the thing in question)
    And more precisely are Enoch and Elijah archangels?
    This is the link for your review.

    as G5613

    Does this refer to the spiritual nature of resurrected people (as are angels); or, resurrected people being forbidden to marry (just as the angels are).

    If YHWH wanted us to become angels, He would have created us as angels.

    No one has found Scriptural evidence that resurrected people will become angels.

    No mention of Enoch and Elijah as archangels in the Scriptures.

    We know that Enoch died:
    Gen_5:23-24; Heb 11:13

    not see G1492
    was translated G3346 G3326 G5087

    NOT the abode of YHWH.
    Does the Bible state that no man will enter heaven before Christ (Joh_3:13).
    What if we read Joh_3:11-13?
    It was common to speak of three “heavens”:
    The first is the atmosphere where the birds fly;
    the second is the place of the sun, moon, and stars; the third is where God dwells.

    Does this mean Elijah wrote this letter AFTER being taken up?
    Or was the letter simply delivered AFTER Elijah’s being taken up?

    It is Christ that rouses the dead.
    All doctrines that are not in harmony with this AND, ESPECIALLY, the Ransom, are in direct conflict with YHWH.

    What is an archangel?
    From G757 and G32; a chief angel: – archangel.
    Total KJV occurrences: 2
    1Th_4:16, Jud_1:9

    From the Jewish Encyclopedia, entry “Angelology”.
    Michael (archangel) (translation: who is like God?), kindness of God, and stands up for the children of mankind
    Gabriel (archangel) (translation: God is my strength), performs acts of justice and power
    (Only these two angels are mentioned by name in the KJV Bible; the rest are from extra-biblical tradition.)
    Jophiel (translation: Beauty of God), expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden holding a flaming sword and punishes those who transgress against God.
    Raphael (archangel) (translation: It is God who heals), God’s healing force
    Uriel (archangel) (translation: God is my light), leads us to destiny
    Samael (archangel) (translation: Venom of God), angel of death—see also Malach HaMavet (translation: the angel of death)
    Sandalphon (archangel) (translation: bringing together), battles Samael and brings mankind together


    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  25. Bro Dave says:


    Repeated from Rev_1:8
    YHWH is a God of patterns in the Bible.
    This book is for humans.
    If we know the Hebrew Scriptures, we have a good foothold in the Greek Scriptures.
    Often lessons from one story are repeated in other places.
    Sometimes the patterns are obvious, others not so much.
    Often there is more to a story than just what’s in the words.
    There are computer programs that pick up these patterns.
    When Bibles alter text to fit a human doctrine, it can mess up a pattern, which a student will see right away.

    Some believe the New Testament was written first in Hebrew, then translated into Greek and the original Hebrew translations have been lost.
    EXAMPLE: Mat_15:9 – a quote from Isaiah, which when read in Hebrew matches word-for-word with original Hebrew Scriptures.
    QUESTION: Would common Jewish fishermen (Apostles) know how to read and write in Greek?

    Shem Tov Hebrew Matthew; and,
    The Hebrew Gospels Sepharab (Vatican EBR100)

    Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew.
    In Israel today, they teach immigrants Hebrew.

    Blessed G3107 H1288 . Mat_5:3; Rev_22:7. Deu_28:3. Rev_22:7, Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13, Exo_12:50-51, Deu_11:27; Deu_32:47, Jos_1:8, Psa_1:1-3; Psa_32:1; Psa_106:3-5; Psa_112:1; Psa_119:1-6, Isa_56:1-2, Dan_12:12, Mat_7:21-27, Luk_12:37-38, Joh_14:15; Joh_14:21-23; Joh_15:10-14, 1Co_7:19, Gal_5:6, Jas_1:25, 1Jn_3:3; 1Jn_3:23-24; 1Jn_5:3.
    Blessed begins the last of the seven beatitudes in Revelation (Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13; Rev_16:15; Rev_19:9; Rev_20:6; Rev_22:7).

    that do G4160 . 1Jn_2:3 ; Exo_12:50; Exo_19:10, Jos_1:8, Ezr_7:10, Psa_15:1-5; Psa_24:4; Psa_111:10, Pro_7:2; Pro_19:16; Pro_29:18, Eze_18:5; Eze_18:11, Mat_7:24; Mat_12:50; Mat_28:20, Luk_6:47; Luk_11:28, Joh_13:17, 1Co_6:11, Jas_1:25, 2Pe_1:10, 1Jn_1:7; 1Jn_1:9.
    his commandments G1785 G1781 G1722 G5056 .
    Rev_12:17; Rev_14:12, Lev_20:8; Lev_26:3, Deu_5:29, Ezr_7:10, Luk_6:46, Joh_3:36; Joh_13:17; Joh_14:21, Rom_16:26, 1Pe_1:13-14, 1Jn_2:3 1Jn_3:23.
    may have G2071 right G1849 G1832. or, authority over. Rev_6:8; Rev_13:7; Rev_16:9, Psa_26:9, Mat_22:8, Luk_9:1, Joh_1:12, 1Co_8:9; 1Co_9:5 Col_1:12.
    KJV: power 69, authority 29, right 2, liberty 1, jurisdiction 1, strength 1
    to G1909 the. Rev_22:2; Rev_22:19, Rev_2:7.
    tree G3586 of life G2222 G2198. Rev_22:2, Rev_2:7, Gen_2:9; Gen_3:22; Gen_3:24, Psa_1:1-3, Col_3:4, 2Ti_1:10.
    Pro_11:30; Pro_15:4;
    Even though the tree of life is literal, it can also viewed figuratively (Pro_3:18; Pro_11:30; Pro_13:12; Pro_15:4).
    In this verse, it seems to suggest a quality of life involving an intimate fellowship with Christ based upon complete and persevering obedience.

    may enter in G1525 G1519 G2064 . Rev_21:27, Deu_33:28, Psa_15:1-5; Psa_16:11; Psa_24:3-5; Psa_118:19; Psa_118:20, Mat_7:21-25, Joh_10:7; Joh_10:9; Joh_14:6.
    through the gates G4440 G4439 . Rev_21:12; Rev_21:24-26, Psa_118:19-20.
    into the city G4172  . Rev_3:12; Rev_21:21, Deu_33:28, Eze_41:12, Heb_11:16; Heb_12:22.

    QUESTION: Is this the fulfillment of Christ’s provision of life, and more abundant life in Joh_10:10?

    Since no one can enter … into the city unless their name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Rev_21:27), is this beatitude is speaking of those justified by faith who express that faith in obedience (Eph_2:8-10)?
    “They that do his commandments”, that is, the obedient overcomers are promised the reward of entering through the gates of the city, New Jerusalem, (Rev_21:2)
    The implication is that they would have free access there; they would be permitted to abide there forever, with the right to approach the tree of life, not be forbidden to approach that tree as Adam was (Gen_3:22), but would be permitted always to partake of it, and would live forever.

    This phrase has been translated differently in some Bibles, based on differing Greek source material:
    If the translators used the Textus Receptus as their Greek source: “Blessed are those who do His commandments”.
    If they chose the NA/UBS (Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society) Greek text: “Blessed are those who wash their robes” ( Rev_3:4-5; Rev_7:14).

    It appears that neither translation teaches salvation by works but instead seems to point out that works are actually the fruit and proof (or, consequence) of salvation.

    Therefore, it seems that works, as a fruit and proof of salvation, and faith are just as inexorably linked as is the Christ and His Millennial Kingdom.

    But, which translation is the more correct?

    Most modern versions, having followed the NA/UBS (Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society) Greek text (which omits words and phrases found in the Greek text of the KJV.), replace “do his commandments” with “wash their robes”.
    This NA/UBS reading is from the Greek manuscripts Aleph, Alexandrinus, 1006, 1841, 2050, 2053, 2062, and the Church fathers, Pseudo-Athanasius, Ambrose, Fulgentius, and Apringius.

    The NA/UBS Greek interlinear is:
    those G3588

    washing G4150
    ploo’-no, ploo’-o
    A prolonged form of an obsolete πλύω pluō ploo’-o (to “flow”); to “plunge”, that is, launder clothing: – wash. Compare G3068, G3538.
    Thayer Definition:
    1) to wash: with reference to clothing
    1a) use figuratively of those who by faith so appropriate the results of Christ’s expiation as to be regarded by God as pure and sinless
    Total KJV occurrences: 1

    the G3588

    robes G4749
    From G4724; equipment, that is, (specifically) a “stole” or long fitting gown (as a mark of dignity): – long clothing (garment), (long) robe.
    Thayer Definition:
    1) an equipment
    2) an equipment in clothes, clothing
    2a) spec. a loose outer garment for men extending to the feet, worn by kings, priests, and persons of rank
    Total KJV occurrences: 8
    robes, 5
    Luk_20:46, Rev_6:11, Rev_7:9, Rev_7:13-14 (2)
    clothing, 1
    garment, 1
    robe, 1

    The KJV reading, following the Textus Receptus (TR), is supported by the majority of Byzantine manuscripts, including 205, 209, 1611supp, 1854, 2030, 2329, 2377, and uncial 046. It is also cited by the Church fathers, Andrew, Tertullian, Cyprian, Caesarius and Beatus.

    NA/UBS Methodology
    The Greek text as presented is what biblical scholars refer to as the “critical text”.
    The critical text is an eclectic text compiled by a committee that compares readings from a large number of manuscripts in order to determine which reading is most likely to be closest to the original.
    They use a number of factors to help determine probable readings, such as the date of the witness (earlier is usually better), the geographical distribution of a reading, and the likelihood of accidental or intentional corruptions.
    In the book, a large number of textual variants, or differences between manuscripts, are noted in the critical apparatus—the extensive footnotes that distinguish the Novum Testamentum Graece from other Greek New Testaments.
    The first edition published by Eberhard Nestle in 1898, and has been regularly updated – and altered, added to, and subtracted from – all the way down to the current – 28th – edition.

    The reason the NA/UBS text is so widely accepted is because it is the standard text of the Roman Catholic Church.

    It is undeniable that the men behind the Textus Receptus were theological conservative and literalist Bible-believers whereas the men behind the NA/UBS text were more theological liberals and open to their own interpretations.

    There are a multitude of websites fervently supporting one side or the other, resulting in thunder and lightning being hurled at each other at a fire and brimstone pace.

    Regrettably, I have no absolute answer to the question of which version is THE correct one. To answer this, perhaps it’s best to do your own research into both the TR and the NA/UBS and decide for yourself.

    For G1161
    without G1854 G1537 . Rev_22:3; Rev_22:11, Rev_9:20-21; Rev_19:20; Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, Lev_13:46; Lev_14:40-41, Psa_26:9; Psa_101:8, Pro_4:19; Pro_5:11, Isa_49:17; Isa_66:24, Eze_41:12, Zec_5:3, Mat_5:13; Mat_7:23; Mat_8:12; Mat_13:48; Mat_15:14; Mat_22:13; Mat_25:30, Mar_9:48, Luk_13:28, Joh_3:19; Joh_3:36, Rom_3:10, 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:3-6, Php_3:19, Col_3:6, 2Th_1:9, Tit_3:3.
    Could this mean that those mentioned in the rest of this verse will not be admitted into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem, Rev_21:8, Rev_21:27 ?
    Cast in outer darkness away from YHWH’s Light?
    are [SUPPLIED]
    dogs G2965 . The word “dog” appears in Phoenician excavations, as applied to a class of servants attached to a temple of Ashtoreth in Cyprus.
    “Dogs” may refer to the sexually immoral, specifically unrepentant prostitutes (Deu_23:17-18).
    Dogs was a common expression used by Jews to speak of Gentiles (Mat_15:26); in this context, however, it may speak of false teachers (Php_3:2).

    Elsewhere in Revelation the imperial cult, combined with sorcery, martyrs Christians; immorality (both literal and spiritual) characterized the lifestyle of Gentile men.
    Dogs, as allegorical figures of spiritual uncleanness and commonness ( Mat_7:6; Php_3:2; 2Pe_2:21-22) take the precedence. Deu_23:18, 1Sa_24:14, 1Ki_21:23, 2Ki_8:13, Psa_22:16; Psa_22:20, Pro_26:11, Isa_56:11, Zec_14:21, Mat_7:6; Mat_15:26-27, Mar_7:27, Php_3:2, 2Pe_2:22.
    sorcerers G5333 G5332 . Sorcerers have profaned and violated nature: Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Rev_21:8, Exo_22:18, 1Sa_15:23, 2Ki_23:24, Isa_47:9; Isa_47:12; Isa_57:3, Jer_27:9, Mal_3:5, Act_8:9; Act_8:11; Act_13:6-11.
    whoremongers G4205 . Fornicators have profaned and violated the personal and physical life. Rev_2:14, Rev_17:1-6; Rev_21:8, Gen_39:9, Pro_2:16-18; Pro_5:3; Pro_5:11, Mat_5:27-28, 1Co_5:11, Col_3:5, 1Th_4:3, 1Ti_1:10, Heb_12:16; Heb_13:4.
    murderers G5406 G5408 . Murderers have profaned and violated the image of God in their neighbor. Rev_21:8, Jer_7:9, Gal_5:21, 1Ti_1:9, 1Jn_3:15.
    idolaters G1496 G1497 G3000 G1491 G1492 . Idolaters have profaned and violated the symbols of the Divine and religion itself. Rev_21:8, Exo_20:4; Exo_20:23, Lev_26:1, 1Co_10:14, 2Co_12:21, Eph_5:5, Php_3:19.
    whosoever G3956 . Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, 1Ki_22:8; 1Ki_22:21-23, Isa_9:15-16, Jer_5:31, Joh_3:18-21; Joh_8:46, Eph_4:25, 2Th_2:10-12.
    loveth G5368 G5384 . phileō Mat_6:5. Psa_52:3; Psa_62:4, Zec_8:19.
    maketh G4160 . or, do, that is, practice. Joh_5:29 ,Joh_3:21, 1Jn_1:6.
    a lie G5579 G5574  . Lovers and practicers of falsehood in general—as a wider class of idolaters—have profaned and violated the consecrated reality and truth of life.
    So, seems to indicate a life dominated by falsehood.
    Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, Lev_6:2, Psa_5:6; Psa_15:2; Psa_24:4; Psa_31:18; Psa_119:29; Psa_119:104; Psa_119:128; Psa_119:163, Pro_6:17; Pro_12:22; Pro_19:9; Pro_24:28, Isa_30:9; Isa_57:11, Jer_23:14; Jer_50:36, Joh_8:44, Rom_1:25, Eph_4:25, Col_3:9, 2Th_2:12, 1Ti_1:10; 1Ti_4:1; Ti_4:2, 2Pe_2:1.

    Could Rev_22:14-15 be a SUMMARY of everything that’s happened so far?
    No matter how you study this, these verses seem at least a bit out of place.
    From those who have the right to eat from the tree of life, jumping outside the city.
    Does this mean we will still have free will to DISobey?
    Then, if we choose to disobey, do we lose our right to the tree of life and to live in the new city, and are passed out into outer darkness?
    So does that mean that, like manna in the wilderness, we have to partake of the fruit of the tree of life regularly to continue living?
    We’ll only know for certain is when we are actually there.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:16

  26. Bro Dave says:


    UPDATE (last week’s notes PLUS tonight’s additions):
    For G1161
    without G1854 G1537 . Rev_22:3; Rev_22:11, Rev_9:20-21; Rev_19:20; Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, Lev_13:46; Lev_14:40-41, Psa_26:9; Psa_101:8, Pro_4:19; Pro_5:11, Isa_49:17; Isa_66:24, Eze_41:12, Zec_5:3, Mat_5:13; Mat_7:23; Mat_8:12; Mat_13:48; Mat_15:14; Mat_22:13; Mat_25:30, Mar_9:48, Luk_13:28, Joh_3:19; Joh_3:36, Rom_3:10, 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:3-6, Php_3:19, Col_3:6, 2Th_1:9, Tit_3:3.
    Could this mean that those mentioned in the rest of this verse will not be admitted into the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem, Rev_21:8, Rev_21:27 ?
    Cast in outer darkness away from YHWH’s Light?
    (Mat_8:12; Mat_22:13 ; Mat_25:30)
    QUESTION: How could people this far into YHWH’s System still resist YHWH’s conditions?

    Some interpret this as a summary, a wrap-up, of everything already completed and told to the churches.
    These people are gone (Rev_21:8) from the scene, not just existing outside the gates of the city.

    Rev_22:14-15 are clearly tied together.
    Question, when did the city enter the picture?
    Rev_21:2 , BEFORE Rev_21:8.
    However, there are things happening outside the city – Rev_21:27.

    It is extremely interesting, as well as worrisome, that this verse is right here in Revelation.

    What if the text really means what it ways?
    If so, what does this text mean?
    One explanation:
    If these are “without” the city, they are separated from YHWH and His Light.
    In physical and spiritual darkness.
    They are conscious that they are alive but without sensations.

    “It is done”
    What is done?
    Overcomers = sons.
    Others = Second death.


    Could this be a warning of what can still happen if one uses his/her free will to attempt to repeat what Satan did back in Genesis?

    It’s a matter of interpretation until we actually get there.

    are [SUPPLIED]
    dogs G2965 . The word “dog” appears in Phoenician excavations, as applied to a class of servants attached to a temple of Ashtoreth in Cyprus.
    “Dogs” may refer to the sexually immoral, specifically unrepentant prostitutes (Deu_23:17-18).
    Dogs was a common expression used by Jews to speak of Gentiles (Mat_15:26); in this context, however, it may speak of false teachers (Php_3:2).

    Elsewhere in Revelation the imperial cult, combined with sorcery, martyrs Christians; immorality (both literal and spiritual) characterized the lifestyle of Gentile men.
    Dogs, as allegorical figures of spiritual uncleanness and commonness ( Mat_7:6; Php_3:2; 2Pe_2:21-22) take the precedence. Deu_23:18, 1Sa_24:14, 1Ki_21:23, 2Ki_8:13, Psa_22:16; Psa_22:20, Pro_26:11, Isa_56:11, Zec_14:21, Mat_7:6; Mat_15:26-27, Mar_7:27, Php_3:2, 2Pe_2:22.
    sorcerers G5333 G5332 . Sorcerers have profaned and violated nature: Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Rev_21:8, Exo_22:18, 1Sa_15:23, 2Ki_23:24, Isa_47:9; Isa_47:12; Isa_57:3, Jer_27:9, Mal_3:5, Act_8:9; Act_8:11; Act_13:6-11.
    whoremongers G4205 . Fornicators have profaned and violated the personal and physical life. Rev_2:14, Rev_17:1-6; Rev_21:8, Gen_39:9, Pro_2:16-18; Pro_5:3; Pro_5:11, Mat_5:27-28, 1Co_5:11, Col_3:5, 1Th_4:3, 1Ti_1:10, Heb_12:16; Heb_13:4.
    murderers G5406 G5408 . Murderers have profaned and violated the image of God in their neighbor. Rev_21:8, Jer_7:9, Gal_5:21, 1Ti_1:9, 1Jn_3:15.

    idolaters G1496 G1497 G3000 G1491 G1492 .
    Exo_20:2-5; Jer_10:1-10; Mat_4:10; Rev_22:9
    Lev_26:1; Deu_27:15
    Rev_21:8, Exo_20:23, Lev_26:1, 1Co_10:14, 2Co_12:21, Eph_5:5, Php_3:19.

    whosoever G3956 . Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, 1Ki_22:8; 1Ki_22:21-23, Isa_9:15-16, Jer_5:31, Joh_3:18-21; Joh_8:46, Eph_4:25, 2Th_2:10-12.
    loveth G5368 G5384 . phileō Mat_6:5. Psa_52:3; Psa_62:4, Zec_8:19.
    maketh G4160 . or, do, that is, practice. Joh_5:29 ,Joh_3:21, 1Jn_1:6.
    a lie G5579 G5574  . Lovers and practicers of falsehood in general—as a wider class of idolaters—have profaned and violated the consecrated reality and truth of life.
    So, seems to indicate a life dominated by falsehood.
    Rev_21:8; Rev_21:27, Lev_6:2, Psa_5:6; Psa_15:2; Psa_24:4; Psa_31:18; Psa_119:29; Psa_119:104; Psa_119:128; Psa_119:163, Pro_6:17; Pro_12:22; Pro_19:9; Pro_24:28, Isa_30:9; Isa_57:11, Jer_23:14; Jer_50:36, Joh_8:44, Rom_1:25, Eph_4:25, Col_3:9, 2Th_2:12, 1Ti_1:10; 1Ti_4:1; Ti_4:2, 2Pe_2:1.

    Could Rev_22:14-15 be a SUMMARY of everything that’s happened so far?
    No matter how you study this, these verses seem at least a bit out of place.
    From those who have the right to eat from the tree of life, jumping outside the city.
    Does this mean we will still have free will to DISobey?
    Then, if we choose to disobey, do we lose our right to the tree of life and to live in the new city, and are passed out into outer darkness?
    So does that mean that, like manna in the wilderness, we have to partake of the fruit of the tree of life regularly to continue living?
    We’ll only know for certain is when we are actually there.

    We concluded our study with a discussion of:
    idolaters G1496 G1497 G3000 G1491 G1492 .
    Is a statue of Francis or Mary (or Buddha or Christ) considered idolatry (Psa_74:1-8)?
    Does just POSSESSING statues or images constitute idolatry?
    Exo_20:2-5; Jer_10:1-10;
    Mat_4:10; Rev_22:9
    Lev_26:1; Deu_27:15
    Idolaters have replaced worship of YHWH with symbols for the Divine and religioous organizations itself.
    Rev_21:8, Exo_20:23, Lev_26:1, 1Co_10:14, 2Co_12:21, Eph_5:5, Php_3:19.

    We’ll resume our study of idolatry versus the use of religious symbols, statues, images, etc., as spiritual enhancers.

  27. Bro Dave says:


    Discussion of Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses organizations history.

    Discussion of upcoming topics to begin after we have concluded our study of Revelation.

    Are Jesus and Michael the Archangel the same?
    Dan_12:1; Jud_1:9; Rev_12:7-9
    Further discussion later.
    Michael is a fighter.
    Jesus would have just spoken and the opponent would disappear.
    Mankind cannot be redeemed by an angel, but by Jesus.
    In Dan_12:1, Michael stands up for the Jews.
    Jesus stands up for the Jews and all mankind – at the end of the age.

    The Trinity, truth or error?
    Many Scriptures were quoted and interpreted.
    It was demonstrated how much of a hot-button item this discussion can be.
    Belief in one side or the other can be quite fervent and zealous.
    We left it to each person as their own individual religious liberty.

    We’ll resume our study of next Thursday.

  28. Bro Dave says:


    REVIEW Rev_22:15
    (Rev_21:10 KJV)  And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    (Rev_21:11 KJV)  Having the glory G1391 of God: and her light G5458 was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
    (Rev_21:22 KJV)  And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    (Rev_21:23 KJV)  And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
    (Rev_21:24 KJV)  And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
    (Rev_22:14 KJV)  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    (Rev_22:15 KJV)  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    In (Rev_22:15 KJV)  “For without G1854 G1537 “- Presumably, outside New Jerusalem includes being away from YHWH’s light.
    In the dark.
    Without YHWH’s light, in absolute darkness.

    Human aversion to darkness is rooted in our eyes.

    Humans are diurnal—day-active—creatures, meaning our ancestors, down to the finest physiological points, were adapted to forage, navigate, and seek shelter while the sun was up.

    Sure enough in the light, our eyes are magnificent.

    We possess an abundance of the photoreceptor cells called “cone cells” that enable us to home in on sharp details: our ancestors could pick out game animals on the horizon, or glimpse a piece of fruit in a tree and know from the precise shade of color whether or not it was ripe.

    But without light, our eyes are all but useless: for our glut of cone cells, we lack the other type of photoreceptor—“rod cells”—which enable vision in low light.

    As the sun sets each night, our ancestors became vulnerable, transforming from predator to prey as they entered a world dominated by nocturnal hunters, all endowed with powerful night-vision: lions, hyenas, saber-toothed tigers, venomous snakes.

    For our ancestors, the height of terror would have been wandering over the savannah in the dark, listening for a predator’s paws drumming against the ground.

    Today we no longer fret over night ambush by saber-toothed tigers, but most people still squirm in the dark.

    After thousands of years, most people are still strangers to darkness, fearful aliens in an enemy camp, with arms crossed over our chests.

    Have you ever played hide-and-seek, hiding in the corner of a closet, your heart thumping?

    DId you ever go camping, getting up to “see a man about a dog” without a flashlight, losing sight of the tent, stumbling through the dark, thinking of packs of wolves, roaming bears, killer fire ants?

    What about walking through a city in the early morning hours, before daylight – walking down block after block of the city’s poorly lit streets, hair bristling on the back of your neck?

    These were partial darknesses, always with a dot of light through a keyhole, a dim street light or a star-gleam from the sky.

    Here the eye will always adjust, the iris will always open to collect photons.

    The closest I know to absolute darkness was experienced by soldiers called “tunnel rats” in VietNam.

    In one of those tunnels not a single photon penetrates.

    Here lies a heavy, ancient, dark Book-of-Genesis darkness.

    The men that entered those tunnels tell a similar story:

    Absolute darkness, like all light had been sucked out by a cosmic vacuum.

    Looking backwards the circle of light at the tunnel’s entrance looked as small as a flashlight, even though it was just a few feet away.

    Thoughts earthwormed down inside the body, chewing through inner architecture of the brain.

    It was the feeling of being peeled open, turned inside out.

    They actually felt the rhythmic clenchings of the heart, lungs ballooning inside the ribs, the epiglottis flapping open and total belief that with every step, the tunnels walls were closing in on them.

    In the absence of sight, all the other senses bloomed.

    Reports include:

    The sound of an underground stream, which was barely noticed until deep inside the tunnel, now filled the whole tunnel, filling the air with noisy patterns, mixed with the sounds of uniforms scratching the tunnel walls and the creak of equipment shifting with the footsteps.

    Smells — mud, damp rocks, sweat mixed with olive drap uniforms, gun oil, and the world’s stinkiest insect repellent — thickened to the point of feeling material.

    All summed together, it created a physical taste.

    When a drop of water fell from the ceiling and burst on the forehead, even the most experienced “tunnel rats” men almost jumped out of their jungle fatigues.

    My first studies on light deprivation grew out of reports of the VC using light deprivation as torture on POWs.

    In the early 1950s, footage emerged from Korea of American prisoners of war denouncing capitalism and extolling the virtues of communism.

    The CIA, convinced that the soldiers had been brainwashed, promptly launched a research initiative on mind-control techniques.

    There were reports of pilots who, after many hours of flying in isolation and staring at an unchanging skyline, would suddenly, for seemingly no reason, lose control of the plane and crash.

    And of sailors who, after stretches looking out over a static ocean horizon, saw mirages.

    And of the Inuit who warned against fishing solo, because in the absence of human contact, without visual cues in a white-out Arctic landscape, they would become disoriented and paddle out to sea, never to return.

    When the results came in, they were stunning: the subjects’ disorientation was far more extreme than imagined.
    One subject, upon completing the study, drove out of the laboratory parking lot and crashed his car. On several occasions, when subjects took a break to relieve themselves, they got lost in the bathroom, and had to call a researcher to help them find the way out.

    Most startling were the hallucinations.

    After just a few hours without light, nearly all the subjects saw and felt things that weren’t there.

    First they would see pulsing dots and simple geometric patterns; these grew into complex isolated images floating about the room, which then evolved into elaborate, integrated scenes playing out before the subjects’ eyes—“dreaming when awake,” as one subject described it.

    One participant reported seeing a parade of squirrels marching “purposefully” across a snowy field, wearing snowshoes and backpacks, while another saw a bathtub being steered by an old man in a metal helmet.

    In a particularly extreme case, a subject encountered a second version of himself in the room: he and his apparition began to blend together, until he was unable to discern which was which.

    “It is one thing,” wrote the CIA, “to hear that the Chinese are brainwashing their prisoners on the other side of the world; it is another to find, in our own laboratory, that merely taking away light from a healthy subject for a few days can shake him, right down to the base: can disturb his personal identity.”

    Today, the neurological mechanism behind these reactions is more or less understood.

    At any given moment, our brain is receiving a torrent of sensory information—visual, auditory, tactile, and so on.

    We are so accustomed to this stream of input that when it gets cut off, our brain essentially produces its own stimuli.

    It identifies its own patterns, combining any scant blip in the visual cortex with images stored in memory to devise scenes that may be intensely vivid, however disconnected from present reality.

    During one particularly illuminating experiment in 2007, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research in Frankfurt collaborated with a German artist named Marietta Schwarz, who had volunteered to live with a blindfold on for twenty-two days.

    Blindversuch (Blind Study), as Schwarz called her project, was part of a larger art project called Knowledge of Space, which incorporated interviews with blind people on perception, image, space, and art.

    Schwarz sat blindfolded in the laboratory, recording into a Dictaphone a granular, real-time diary of everything that was happening in her brain.

    She reported an array of hallucinations, including intricate abstract patterns, such as bright amoebas, yellow clouds, and animal prints.

    The researchers, meanwhile, used an fMRI scanner—functional magnetic resonance imaging, which tracks changes in blood flow in the brain—to follow the neurological operations behind her hallucinations.

    Despite the total absence of visual input, Schwarz’s visual cortex lit up like a lantern, exactly as it would if she weren’t blindfolded.

    That is, in the world of her brain, the hallucinations were as true and real as anything she could touch or taste or smell.

    Is something like this the fate of those who are “without” the new city?

    (Exo_20:18 KJV)  And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
    (Exo_20:19 KJV)  And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
    (Exo_20:20 KJV)  And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
    (Exo_20:21 KJV)  And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
    YHWH is both light and dark.
    YHWH separated the light from the dark. (Gen_1:3-4)

    (Exo_10:21 KJV)  And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness H2822 which may be felt.
    (Exo_10:22 KJV)  And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
    (Exo_10:23 KJV)  They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.
    Darkness H2822 that is to be felt – pitch dark.

    (Mat_22:13 KJV)  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer G1857 darkness G4655 ; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    (Matthew 10:28 KJV)  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    A Brief Retrospective of SIN:
    When Adam and Eve were banished from the garden,
    (Gen_3:22 KJV)  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    (Gen_3:23 KJV)  Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
    Yes, they sinned, but the Tree and Life was something extra.
    All the way to Rev_22:14-15

    QUESTION: If someone has no knowledge of evil, can a person choose to disobey?

    QUESTION: In the ages to come, are humans going to be simply robotic in our obedience?
    We do not know the Will of YHWH for the “ages to come”.
    We only know from Adam and Eve forward.
    But, we’ll most likely be extremely keen to please YHWH.
    There will probably not be accidental sin – any sin will be a deliberate choice.
    Being obedient to YHWH is simply going to be part of our makeup (Jer_31:33-24; Heb_10:16).

    Our own Will, will be:
    (Mar_12:30 KJV)  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
    (Mar_12:31 KJV)  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
    (Ecc_12:13 KJV)  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    (Ecc_12:14 KJV)  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

    A Correction to Planting seeds.
    (1Co_3:5 KJV)  Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
    (1Co_3:6 KJV)  I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
    (1Co_3:7 KJV)  So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
    (1Co_3:8 KJV)  Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
    We plant the seeds and we can even water the seeds, but only YHWH makes the seeds grow.
    Using a figure from agriculture, Paul shows that the servant is after all very limited in what he can do.
    Paul himself could plant G5452 and Apollos could water G4222 , but only YHWH could give the increase G837 .
    So today, some of us can preach the word and all of us can pray for unbelieving relatives, friends and, in fact, all of mankind, but the actual work of salvation can only be done by the Lord.

    (Mat_13:3 KJV)  And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
    (Mat_13:4 KJV)  And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
    (Mat_13:5 KJV)  Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
    (Mat_13:6 KJV)  And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
    (Mat_13:7 KJV)  And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
    (Mat_13:8 KJV)  But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:16

  29. Bro Dave says:


    Our Fellowship began studying at Revelation 22:16-17.

    I G1473 Jesus G2424 H3091 H3068 H3467 . Rev_22:6, Rev_22:10, Rev_1:1; Rev_1:4, Joh_3:34.
    have sent G3992 . or, sent. Rev_1:1.
    mine G3450 angel G32 . Rev_10:1, Gen_24:40, Act_27:23, 2Th_1:7, Heb_1:6.
    to testify G3140 G3144 . The dignity and weight of a testimony is thus assigned to His word . Rev_22:18; Rev_22:20, Rev_22:1; Rev_22:11, Rev_1:2; Rev_1:5; Rev_2:7; Rev_2:11; Rev_2:17; Rev_2:29; Rev_3:6; Rev_3:13; Rev_3:22, Dan_8:16, Joh_21:24, Heb_12:1, 2Pe_1:21.
    in G1909 . Gr. epi.
    the churches G1577 G1537 G2564 . Gr. ecclesia. Rev_1:4, 1Co_7:17.
    I G1473 am G1510 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:17; Rev_2:23, Rev_5:5; Rev_21:6, Isa_11:1, Zec_6:12, Mat_22:42; Mat_22:45, Rom_1:3-4; Rom_9:5.
    the root G4491 H8328 H8327 . Isa_11:10, Rev_5:5, Isa_11:10, Mat_2:23, Rom_15:12.
    Usually interpreted as not the root in the sense that David sprang from Him, as a tree does from a root, but in the sense that He was the “root-shoot” of David, or that He Himself sprang from David, as a sprout starts up from a decayed and fallen tree – as of the oak, the willow, the chestnut, etc, as in Isa_11:1 .

    And there shall come forth a rod – In Isaiah 10, Isaiah had represented the Assyrian monarch and his army under the image of a dense and flourishing forest, with all its glory and grandeur (Isa_10:34 (Context: Isa_10:20-34).
    In opposition to this, he describes Yeshua, under the image of a slender twig or shoot, sprouting up from the root of a decayed and fallen tree.
    Between the Assyrian, therefore, and Yeshua, there is this contrast:
    The Assyrian was at first magnificent – like a vast spreading forest – yet should soon fall and decay;
    Yeshua was the little sprout of a decayed tree, which should yet rise, expand and flourish.
    A rod – ( H2415 חטר choṭı̂r). This word occurs in only other place; Pro_14:3 : ‘In the mouth of the foolish is a “rod” of pride.’ Here it means, evidently, a branch, a twig, a shoot, such as starts up from the roots of a decayed tree, and seems to be synonymous with the word translated “branch” ( H6780 צמח tsemach) in Isa_4:2.
    Out of the stem – ( H4480 + H1503 מגזע mı̂geza‛). This word appears only three times in the Old Testament;
    Job_14:8; where it is translated as “stock:”
    Though the root thereof wax old in the earth,
    And the stock thereof die in the ground;
    Isa_40:24 : ‘Yea, their “stock” shall not take root in the earth.’
    This seems to suggest that the stock or stump of a tree that has been cut down – a stock, however, which may not be quite dead, but where it may send up a branch or shoot from its roots.
    Here it appears to be applied to an ancient family that is fallen into decay, yet where there may be a descendant that shall rise and flourish; as a tree may fall and decay, but still there may be vitality in the root, and it shall send up a tender germ or sprout.

    Of Jesse – The father of David. It can be interpreted that the “he” who is spoken of here should be of the family of Jesse, or David.
    Though Jesse had died, and though the ancient family of David would fall into decay, yet there would arise from that family an illustrious descendant.
    The prophecy of this description is apparent, if we bear in recollection that, when the Messiah was born, the ancient and much honored family of David had fallen into decay; that the mother of Jesus, though pertaining to that family, was poor, obscure, and unknown; and that, to all appearance, the glory of the family had departed.
    Yet from that, as from a long-decayed root in the ground, He should spring who would restore the family to more than its ancient glory, and shed additional luster on the name of Jesse.
    And a branch – ( H5342 נצר nêtser). A twig, branch, or shoot; a slip, scion, or young sucker of a tree, that is selected for transplanting, and that requires to be watched with special care.
    This word occurs only four times;
    Isa_60:21 : ‘They shall inherit the land forever, the branch of my planting;’
    Isa_14:19 : ‘But thou art cast out of thy grave as an abominable branch;’
    The word rendered branch in Jer_23:5; Jer_33:15, is a different word in the original ( H6780 צמח tsemach), though meaning substantially the same thing.

    Out of his roots H4480 H8328 – As a shoot starts up from the roots of a decayed tree.
    The Septuagint renders this, ‘And a flower (ἄνθος anthos) shall arise from the root.’
    The Chaldee, ‘And a king shall proceed from the sons of Jesse, and the Messiah from his sons’ sons shall arise;’ showing conclusively that the ancient Jews referred this to the Messiah.
    That this verse, and the subsequent parts of the chapter, refer to the Messiah, may be argued from the following considerations:
    (1) The fact that it is expressly applied to Him in the New Testament. Thus Paul, in Rom_15:12, quotes the tenth verse of this chapter as expressly applicable to the times of the Messiah.
    (2) The Chaldee Paraphrase seems to indicate that this was the sense which the ancient Jews put upon the passage. That paraphrase is of authority, only to show that this was the sense which appeared to be the true one by the ancient interpreters.
    (3) The description in the chapter is not applicable to any other personage than the Messiah. Some commentators propose that the passage refers to Hezekiah; though, ‘in a more sublime sense,’ to the Messiah. Others have referred it to Zerubbabel. But none of the things here related apply to either, except the fact that they had a descent from the family of Jesse; for neither of those families had fallen into the decay which the prophet describes.
    (4) The peace, prosperity, harmony and order, referred to in the subsequent portions of the chapter, are not descriptive of any portion of the reign of Hezekiah.
    (5) The terms and descriptions here harmonize with other portions of the Scriptures, as applicable to the Messiah. Thus Jeremiah Jer_23:5; Jer_33:15 describes the Messiah under the similitude of a “branch”, a germ or shoot – using, indeed, a different Hebrew word, but retaining the same idea and image; as in Zec_3:8. It accords also with the description by Isaiah of the same personage in Isa_4:2.
    (6) Almost all commentators have referred this to the Messiah; and, perhaps, it would not be possible to find greater agreement in regard to the interpretation of any passage of Scripture than on this.

    One meaning then may be stated, not that He was the ancestor of David, or that David sprang from Him, but that He was the offspring of David, according to the Scripture (Mat_1:1), that the Messiah should be descended from him.

    Returning to Rev_22:16
    offspring G1085 G1096 . Psa_89:4, Isa_11:10, Mat_1:1, Act_13:23; Act_17:28, Heb_7:14.
    of David G1138 H1732 H1730 . Rev_3:7; Rev_5:5, 1Ki_15:4, 2Ch_10:16, Psa_110:1, Isa_9:7; Isa_55:3, Jer_23:5, Eze_34:23, Zec_3:8; Zec_6:12, Mat_1:1; Mat_22:41-45, Mar_10:47; Mar_12:37, Luk_1:69; Luk_18:38; Luk_20:41; Luk_20:44, Act_13:23,Rom_1:3; Rom_1:4.
    The descendant; the progeny of David; “the seed of David according to the flesh.” ( Rom_1:3.)
    Of the posterity or lineage of David. He was a descendant of David.
    YHWH’s promise to David was that there should not fail a man to sit on this throne; 1Ki_2:4; 1Ki_8:25; 1Ki_9:5; 2Ch_6:16.
    This ancient promise was understood as referring to the Messiah, and hence, in the New Testament he is called the descendant of David, and so much pains is taken to show that he was of his line; Luk_1:27; Mat_9:27; Mat_15:22; Mat_12:23; Mat_21:9, Mat_21:15; Mat_22:42, Mat_22:45; Joh_7:42; 2Ti_2:8.
    As the Jews universally believed that the Messiah would be descended from David Joh_7:42, it was of great importance for the inspired writers to make it out clearly that Jesus of Nazareth was of that line and family.
    Hence, it happened, that though our Redeemer was humble, and poor, and obscure, yet He had an illustrious ancestry.
    To a Jew there could be scarcely any honor so high as to be descended from the best of their kings; and it shows how little Yeshua esteemed the honors of this world, that He always and unfailingly displays His deep humility in circumstances where people are usually proud; and that when He spoke of the honors of this world, and told how little they were worth, He was denouncing what was, in fact, well within His reach.
    Yeshua is clearly both greater than David and the rightful heir to the throne of David.

    the bright G2986 . Act_10:30.
    morning G3720 G3722 star G792 G4766 . Rev_2:28; Rev_21:23, Num_24:17, 2Sa_23:4, Job_38:7, Son_4:6; Son_6:10, Isa_14:12; Isa_60:3, Hos_6:3, Zec_12:8, Mal_4:2, Mat_2:2; Mat_2:7-10, Luk_1:78;Luk_1:79, Joh_1:4; Joh_1:9; Joh_8:12; Joh_14:6; Joh_14:9, 2Pe_1:19.

    Yeshua is the comforting light in a dark world until the dawn of His return (Rev_2:28, from Num_24:17 ) – in the Dead Sea Scrolls, found as a Fragment of the 1QM (Qumran Cave 1) or “War Scroll” or “Milhamah”,The Star Prophecy (or Star and Scepter prophecy) is a Messianic reading (a conquering Messiah) applied by Jewish Zealots and early Christians to Num_24:17.)
    Even today, it is not uncommon to compare a prince, a leader, a teacher, with that bright and beautiful star which at some seasons of the year precedes the rising of the sun, and leads on the day.
    This morning star is the harbinger of day; and the meaning of our Redeemer seems clear: that He sustains a relation to a dark world similar to this beautiful star (In our physical world, Venus)
    . At one time He is indeed compared with the sun itself in giving light to the world (Joh_8:12); here He is compared with that morning star with reference to its beauty rather than its light.
    Could this have been one object in this comparison to lead us, when we look on that star, to think of the Redeemer?
    Some claim that the morning star is the most beautiful object in nature; it succeeds the darkness of the night; it signals the onset of the day – and as it mingles with the first rays of the morning, it seems to be so joyous, cheerful, exulting, bright, that nothing can be better compared to remind us of Him who came to lead on eternal day.
    Its place – the first thing that arrests the eye in the morning – might serve to remind us that our Redeemer should be the first object that should draw the eye and the heart on the return of each day.
    It can be extremely helpful if in each of our trials – especially in this time of sorrow due to COVID – for us to focus on the bright star of the morning as it rises on the darkness of this night our earth and its people are enduring – an emblem of our Redeemer rising on our sorrow and our gloom. (Psa_30:4-5 , Mal_4:2).

    the Spirit G4151 G4154 . Gr. pneuma, Mat_3:16, Rev_22:16, Rev_2:7, Isa_55:1-3, Joh_3:34; Joh_7:39; Joh_14:16; Joh_16:7-15, Act_8:29; Act_8:39; Act_11:12; Act_16:7, Rom_8:4-5; Rom_8:9; Rom_8:14; Rom_8:16; Rom_8:19; Rom_8:26-27, 1Co_12:3 1Co_15:45, Gal_4:6, Eph_1:13-14.
    The Holy Spirit.

    the bride G3565 . Rev_18:23, \Rev_21:2; Rev_21:9, Eph_5:27.
    Come G2064 . Gen_13:6, Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:3; Rev_3:20, Num_10:10; Num_10:29, 2Ki_7:9, Psa_95:6, Pro_8:4; Pro_9:4, Isa_2:5; Isa_45:22; Isa_45:24; Isa_52:7; Isa_55:1-3, Zec_10:8, Mat_11:28-30; Mat_22:2-4, Luk_14:16-17, Joh_1:37; Joh_1:40-42; Joh_1:45-46; Joh_4:29; Joh_6:37; Joh_7:37, Rom_10:13, 1Co_16:22.
    All are entreated to come. This is consistent:
    (a) In all the recorded invitations in the Bible – for it is by the inspiration of that Spirit that these invitations are recorded;
    (b) By all the Spirit’s influences on the understandings, the consciences, and the hearts of people;
    (c) By all the proclamations of mercy made by the preaching of the gospel, and by the appeal which relative makes to relative, friend to friend, neighbor to neighbor, and stranger to stranger – for all these are methods in which the Spirit invites people to come to our Redeemer.

    And. Gen_8:22.
    let him that heareth G191 . Rev_1:3, Psa_34:8; Psa_40:10, Son_2:10; Son_8:14, Isa_2:3; Isa_2:5; Isa_48:16-18, Jer_50:5, Mic_4:2, Zec_8:21-23, Mat_22:3; Mat_22:9, Luk_14:21, Joh_1:39-46; Joh_4:29; Joh_5:24; Joh_10:16, Php_2:16, 1Th_1:5-8.
    let him that is athirst G1372 . Rev_21:6, Psa_1:2-3; Psa_42:1-2, Pro_25:25, Isa_41:17; Isa_44:3; Isa_55:1, Mat_5:6, Joh_4:10; Joh_6:35; Joh_6:37; Joh_7:37, 1Pe_2:2.
    come G2064 . Heb_4:16.
    And whosoever G3588 will G2309 . Isa_66:11, Exo_35:21, Ezr_7:13, Pro_1:22, Joh_5:40, Rom_9:16, Php_2:13 .
    Literally, the one willing, or “willing thirsty ones.”
    Not two classes of persons, but one.
    Not thirsty ones who do not will; or willing ones who do not thirst; but willing thirsty ones, let them come
    let him take G2983 . Psa_81:10, Isa_12:3, Joh_1:12; Joh_4:10; Joh_4:14; Joh_15:25, 1Co_10:4.
    water G5204 of life G2222 G2198 . Rev_22:1, Exo_17:6, Num_20:8; Num_21:16, Deu_30:20, Psa_23:2; Psa_30:5; Psa_36:9; Psa_78:15; Psa_87:7, Pro_25:25, Son_5:1, Isa_35:6; Isa_43:20, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Eze_47:1, Zec_14:8, Joh_4:10; Joh_5:26; Joh_11:25; Joh_14:6, Act_3:15, Eph_5:26, 2Ti_1:10.
    freely G1432. Rev_21:6, Mat_10:8 Rom_3:24, 1Co_2:12.

    Ancient Judaism especially associated the Spirit with prophecy.
    Everyone who hears the invitation is to join in it, and the thirsty may come by faith in Christ and drink freely (Isa_55:1) of the water of eternal life. Rev_22:1.

    This whole verse appears
    1. to reinforce the freeness of the offers of the gospel;
    2. to condense in a summary manner all the invitations of YHWH’s mercy to mankind; and,
    3. to leave on the mind at the close of the book a deep impression of the ample provision which has been made for the salvation of a fallen race.
    Nothing, it is clear, could be more appropriate at the close of this book, and at the close of the whole volume of revealed truth, than to announce, in the most clear and attracting form, that salvation is free to all, and that “whosoever will “may be saved.

    Living water (Joh_7:37-39; Isa_12:1-6) springs from an unfailing source and is ever-flowing.
    Yeshua, of course, was talking about eternal life (Joh_4:14; Rom_6:23).
    Historically, hatred between Jews and Samaritans was fierce and long-standing.
    It dated to the fall of the northern kingdom of Israel in A.D. 722
    The victorious Assyrians deported twenty thousand Israelites, mostly from the upper classes, and replaced them with settlers from Babylon, Syria, and several other nations.
    These foreigners introduced pagan idols and intermarried with the Hebrews, creating an ethnically mixed population.
    When the Jews of Judah returned from the Babylonian captivity, they met resistance from the Samaritans as they tried to rebuild the temple, Jerusalem, and the rest of their society.
    They looked down on their northern cousins because of their mixed marriages and idolatrous practices.
    Soon, permanent walls of bitterness had been erected by both sides. By Jesus’ day, the hostilities were so severe that the woman at the well was astonished that Jesus would even speak with her.
    As John explained, “Jews have no dealings with Samaritans” (Joh_4:9).

    answered and said. Deu_1:41; Mat_11:25.
    unto her. Eze_16:35.
    If. Mat_23:30, Joh_3:16, Isa_9:6; Isa_42:6; Isa_49:6-8, Luk_11:13, Rom_8:32, 1Co_1:30, 2Co_9:15, Eph_2:8.
    the gift. G1431 Act_2:38; Act_8:20; Act_10:45; Act_11:17, Rom_5:15; Rom_5:17, 2Co_9:15, Eph_3:7; Eph_4:7, Heb_6:4].
    In total, there are eight gifts in this Gospel: (Joh_4:10; Joh_10:11; Joh_13:15; Joh_14:16; Joh_14:27; Joh_17:8; Joh_17:14; Joh_17:22) .
    Joh_3:16; Joh_3:34, Act_2:38; Act_8:20; Act_10:45; Act_11:17, Rom_5:15; Rom_5:17; Rom_6:23, 2Co_9:15, Eph_2:8; Eph_3:7; Eph_4:7, Heb_6:4.
    and who it is. Joh_4:7; Joh_4:25-26; Joh_4:42, Joh_9:35-38; Joh_16:3; Joh_17:3, 1Jn_5:20.
    thou wouldest have asked. Joh_14:13, 2Ch_33:12-13; 2Ch_33:18-19, Psa_10:17; Psa_86:5, Isa_55:6-9, Mat_7:7, Luk_11:8-10; Luk_18:13-14; Luk_23:42-43, Act_9:11; Act_26:18, Jas_1:5; Jas_4:2, Rev_3:17; Rev_3:18.
    would have given. Joh_5:26; Joh_6:32-33; Joh_10:28; Joh_17:2, Num_21:16, Luk_6:21, Act_8:20, Rom_5:15, Tit_3:6.
    living.Act_7:38, Joh_4:14, Joh_6:35; Joh_6:51; Joh_6:63; Joh_7:37-38; Joh_9:37-39, Gen_26:19, Exo_17:6, Lev_14:5, Num_19:17; Num_20:8, 2Sa_23:15, 1Ch_11:17, Neh_9:20, Psa_36:8-9; Psa_46:4; Psa_87:7, Son_4:15, Isa_12:3; Isa_35:6; Isa_41:17-18; Isa_43:20; Isa_44:3; Isa_49:10; Isa_55:1-3, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Eze_47:1-9; Eze_47:12, Joe_3:18, Zec_13:1; Zec_14:8, Mat_5:6, Act_3:15; Act_7:38, Rom_8:2, 1Co_10:4; 1Co_12:13; 1Co_15:45, 2Co_13:14, Rev_7:17; Rev_21:6; Rev_22:1-2; Rev_22:14; Rev_22:17.
    water. Jer_2:13, Luk_16:24, 1Jn_5:6.
    Some have pointed out that the rabbis spoke of Torah, the Law, as YHWH’s gift and as living water.
    But John seems to use the symbolism differently to refer to the Spirit (Joh_7:37-39).
    The background here seems to be YHWH as provider of the source of genuine life (Isa_12:3; Jer_2:13).

    thou hast nothing. Joh_4:33, Joh_3:4, 1Co_2:14.
    the well. Gen_21:30, Luk_14:5.
    is deep. In 1869 this same well was 105 feet, and had 15 feet of water.
    from whence. Joh_3:4; Joh_14:22, Rom_11:2.
    living. Act_7:38, Joh_4:10, Joh_6:51-52, Gen_26:19, Num_19:17, Rev_7:17; Rev_22:1.

    Art thou greater. Joh_8:53, Isa_53:2; Isa_53:3, Mat_12:41-42, Heb_3:3.
    our father. Gen_13:8.
    The Samaritan’s saying “our father Jacob” was an affront to the Jewish teaching that the Jewish people were children of Jacob, and the Samaritans were at best half-breeds.
    The one who is greater than Jacob, the Redeemer of ALL mankind, chose not argue the point with her; it was completely irrelevant to the lesson He wished to drive home.
    which gave. Joh_4:5.
    the well. Gen_24:11-14.
    and. Gen_8:22.
    his children G5207 . or, sons.

    Whosoever. Joh_6:27; Joh_6:49, Isa_55:2; Isa_65:13-14, Luk_16:24.
    shall thirst again. Joh_6:27; Joh_6:35; Joh_6:58, Ecc_1:8; Ecc_2:1-11, Isa_55:1-2, Jer_2:13, Rom_6:21.

    whosoever drinketh. Joh_6:35; Joh_6:51; Joh_6:54; Joh_6:58; Joh_7:37, Act_26:18, 1Co_10:4; 1Co_12:13.
    never. G165 Mat_6:13, Mat_5:18, Joh_6:35; Joh_6:58; Joh_11:26; Joh_17:2; Joh_17:3, Isa_49:10; Isa_58:11, Rom_6:23, Rev_7:16.
    thirst. Joh_6:35, Deu_33:23, Neh_9:20, Gal_5:16, Eph_3:17-19.
    but the water. Jer_2:13, 2Sa_23:15; Isa_59:21, 1Jn_2:27; 1Jn_5:6, Rev_21:6; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17.
    I shall give. Joh_4:10, Joh_7:37, Isa_43:20, Jer_31:25.
    shall be in him. Joh_7:37-39; Joh_10:10; Joh_14:16-19, Pro_14:14; Pro_18:4, Mat_5:6, Luk_10:42, Act_3:15, Rom_5:21; Rom_8:10-11; Rom_8:15-17; Rom_8:23, 1Co_12:13, 2Co_1:22, Eph_1:13; Eph_1:14; Eph_4:30, Col_3:3, 1Pe_1:22-23, 1Jn_5:20.
    a well. Joh_4:6, Gen_29:2; Gen_49:22, Lev_11:36, Num_21:16, 2Sa_23:15, 1Ch_11:17, Psa_36:8-9, Son_4:15, Isa_12:3; Isa_41:17-18, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Zec_14:8, 1Co_10:4; 1Co_12:13, Rev_7:17.
    of water. Joh_4:10, Luk_16:24.
    springing up. Joh_16:22, Exo_17:6, Num_21:16-18, Psa_87:7, Pro_5:15, Son_4:15, Isa_35:7, Jer_17:8, Zec_14:8, Luk_13:21, 1Co_15:44-45, Rev_7:16-17.
    everlasting G166 Mat_18:8, Joh_4:36, Joh_3:36; Joh_5:39; Joh_6:27; Joh_6:40; Joh_6:68; Joh_10:28; Joh_12:25; Joh_12:50; Joh_17:2; Joh_17:3; Joh_20:31, Psa_22:26, Mat_19:16, Rom_2:7, Gal_6:8, 2Th_2:16, 1Pe_1:5, 1Jn_1:2; 1Jn_2:17; 1Jn_2:25; 1Jn_3:15; 1Jn_5:11; 1Jn_5:20.
    life. Joh_1:4; Joh_8:12, Psa_36:9; Psa_133:3, Rom_8:2; Rom_8:10.

    Ho H1945 This word is commonly used to call attention to the subject as one of importance.
    Rth_4:1, Pro_1:21-23; Pro_8:1; Pro_8:4-5, Zec_2:6; Zec_10:8.
    Everyone H3605 that Thirsts H6771 Isa_41:17; Isa_41:18, Isa_44:3; Psa_42:1-2; Psa_63:1; Psa_143:6, Mat_5:6; Luk_6:21, Joh_4:10-14; Joh_7:37-39, 1Co_12:13, Rev_21:6; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17.
    Waters H4325 Jer_2:13, Isa_12:3; Isa_43:20, Pro_25:25, Eze_47:1, Joh_4:10-14; Joh_7:37; Rev_22:1
    You who have no money H3701 … buy may reinforces that salvation cannot be bought, but is a free gift for those who desire it (Isa_52:3; Deu_8:3; Rom_6:23).
    come ye. Num_10:10, Mat_11:28; Mat_22:3; Mat_22:9, Luk_14:16, Joh_6:35; Joh_12:44, 1Ti_2:4.
    buy and. Pro_23:23; Mat_13:44-46; Mat_25:9, Php_3:7, Rev_3:18.
    eat. Isa_1:19; Isa_25:6; Isa_49:9, Joh_6:54, 1Co_11:24.
    Wine H3196 Psa_104:15, Pro_9:5, Son_1:2; Son_1:4; Son_5:1, Zec_9:15; Zec_10:7, Mat_26:27; Mat_26:29, Luk_22:18, Joh_2:3-10, Eph_5:18.
    milk H2461 Joe_3:18, 1Co_3:2, Heb_5:12, 1Pe_2:2
    without money. Isa_52:3, Gen_42:25; Gen_47:25, Rom_3:24; Rom_11:6, Eph_2:4-8.
    without price. Pro_17:16.

    Wherefore. Psa_4:6; Psa_39:6.
    do ye. Isa_44:20, Jer_2:13, Hos_8:7; Hos_12:1, Hab_2:13, Mat_15:9; Mat_22:3, Luk_6:21; Luk_8:43; Luk_15:15-16, Joh_6:27, Rom_9:31; Rom_10:2; Rom_10:3, Php_3:4-7, Heb_13:9.
    spend H8254 . or, weigh. Isa_46:6, Gen_23:16, Jer_32:9.
    your labor. Isa_50:11; Isa_65:23, Ecc_1:3; Ecc_4:8; Ecc_10:15, Jer_12:13.
    [that which – SUPPLIED] satisfieth not. Psa_36:8; Psa_107:9, Pro_23:5; Eze_7:19, Hab_2:6.
    hearken diligently H8085 H8085 . Or, “Hearken a hearkening”: i.e. continue to hearken.
    Gen_6:17, Isa_51:1; Isa_51:4; Isa_51:7, Exo_15:26, Deu_11:13; Deu_15:5; Deu_28:1, Deu_30:10, Jos_22:5, Job_21:2, Psa_34:11; Psa_45:10, Pro_1:33; Pro_7:24; Pro_8:32-33, Jer_17:24; Jer_25:3, Zec_1:6, Mar_4:3; Mar_7:14, Act_2:14, Rom_10:17, 2Pe_1:5.
    eat. Isa_25:6, Psa_22:26; Psa_36:8; Psa_63:5, Pro_9:5, Son_5:1, Jer_31:14, Joe_2:26, Mat_5:6; Mat_22:4, Luk_15:23, Joh_6:48-58.
    soul H5315 or, properly a breathing creature. Gen_34:3.
    delight. Isa_58:14, Job_22:26; Job_27:10; Job_36:16, Son_1:2, Amo_5:14, Mat_5:6.
    fatness H1880 Isa_25:6; Isa_55:2, Jdg_9:9, Job_36:16, Psa_36:8; Psa_63:5; Psa_65:11, Jer_31:14,
    Also *S# H1880: Lev_1:16 (ashes). Lev_4:12; Lev_4:12; Lev_6:10-11, 1Ki_13:3; 1Ki_13:5, Jer_31:40.

    Incline your ear. Isa_51:1, Psa_78:1; Psa_119:112, Pro_4:20; Pro_15:31; Pro_22:17, Zec_7:7.
    come. Mat_11:28, Joh_6:37; Joh_6:44; Joh_6:45; Joh_7:37, Heb_11:6, 1Pe_2:4.
    hear. Isa_44:1; Isa_48:12; Isa_49:1, Deu_28:1; Deu_30:10, 2Ch_24:19, Psa_81:8; Psa_95:7, Pro_1:33; Pro_2:2; Pro_18:17, Mat_13:16; Mat_15:10; Mat_17:5, Mar_4:24, Luk_6:47; Luk_8:18; Luk_9:35, Joh_5:24; Joh_5:25; Joh_8:47; Joh_10:27, Act_3:22, Rom_10:17, Heb_3:7; Heb_5:9.
    soul. H5315 or, properly a breathing creature. Gen_12:13, Mat_10:28.
    shall live. Gen_15:6; Gen_19:20, Lev_18:5, Psa_119:175, Pro_4:4; Pro_7:2, Jer_38:20, Amo_5:4, Hab_2:4, Joh_10:27; Joh_10:28.
    and I will make. Isa_54:8; Isa_61:8, Gen_17:7; 2Sa_23:5, Jer_31:33-34; Jer_32:40; Jer_50:5, Eze_16:60; Eze_34:25; Eze_37:26, Dan_9:27, Heb_13:20.
    everlasting. H5769, Gen_17:7, Gen_9:16, Isa_44:7 .
    covenant. Isa_54:10; Isa_56:4; Isa_59:21, Gen_15:18, Exo_6:4, Lev_26:9, Deu_28:1, Jdg_2:1, 2Sa_7:10-16, 1Ch_16:17, Psa_74:20; Psa_89:34; Psa_111:9, Rom_11:27, Heb_8:8; Heb_12:24.
    the sure mercies. Isa_41:9; Isa_54:8-10; Isa_59:21; Isa_59:1-21 :2Sa_7:10 2Sa_7:15; 2Sa_23:5, 1Ch_17:13, 2Ch_1:8; 2Ch_6:42, Psa_18:50; Psa_66:20; Psa_89:3; Psa_89:24; Psa_89:28; Psa_89:33; Psa_89:35-37; Psa_108:4; Psa_119:76; Psa_132:11, Jer_33:20; Jer_33:21 Jer_33:25-26, Eze_37:24; Eze_37:25, Act_13:34.
    of David. Gen_3:24, Isa_38:5, 1Ki_11:34, 2Ki_20:5, Psa_89:49, Jer_30:9, Eze_34:23; Eze_37:24, Hos_3:5, Act_13:23

    I have given him. Harmonizes as referring to Messiah: not David but David’s Son and David’s Lord Isa_43:10, Joh_3:16; Joh_10:36; Joh_18:37, 1Ti_6:13, Rev_1:5; Rev_3:14.
    for a witness. Joh_3:11, Rom_10:20, Rev_1:5; Rev_3:14.
    to the people. Gen_49:10.
    a leader. Isa_49:8-10; Isa_63:12; Isa_63:13, Jos_5:14, 1Sa_16:1, 2Sa_5:2, 1Ch_11:2, Psa_2:6; Psa_67:4 ; Psa_77:20, Pro_8:20, Jer_30:9, Eze_34:23-24, Dan_9:25, Hos_3:5, Mic_2:13; Mic_5:2-4, Mat_2:6; Mat_28:18-20, Joh_10:3; Joh_10:27; Joh_12:26; Joh_13:13, Act_5:31, 1Co_11:3, 2Th_1:8, Eph_5:24, Heb_2:10; Heb_5:9, Rev_12:7; Rev_19:16.
    and commander. Jos_5:14.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:18-19

  30. Bro Dave says:


    Our Fellowship began studying at Revelation 22:16-17.

    Think the Bible is not relevant for today’s world?
    Agreed, this verse reads a little differently if you read Psalm 38 in its entire context, but rosen up your bows and try this on your fiddle:
    sore (KJV) H5061
    Could we add COVID to Strong’s list of maladies?

    The words of this YHWH-breathed covenant or book.
    (2Ti_3:16 KJV)  All G3956 scripture G1124 is given by inspiration of God, G2315
    – Original: γραφή
    – Transliteration: Graphe
    – Phonetic: graf-ay’
    – Definition:
    1. a writing, thing written
    2. the Scripture, used to denote either the book itself, or its contents 3. a certain portion or section of the holy Scripture

    – Original: θεόπνευστος
    – Transliteration: theopneustos
    – Phonetic: theh-op’-nyoo-stos
    – Definition:
    From G2316 and a presumed derivative of G4154; divinely breathed in: – given by inspiration of God.

    The Bible is by ONE Author, YHWH, and given to many write.
    Revelation seems to be a direct communication from YHWH.

    moved G5342
    ferw fer’-o
    Part of Speech: {V-PAI-1S}
    MLV/Definition: A> carry^, carries^, carrying^, | +/-along*; B> bring^, bring^, | +/-forth
    KJV: bring 34, bear 8, bring forth 5, come 3, reach 2, endure 2, carry 1, moved 1, misc 8 TR: 64

    is not to be altered (Deu_4:2; Deu_12:32; Pro_30:5-6).

    Revelation was intended to be heard and obeyed (Rev_22:7; Rev_1:3), not tampered with.
    The warning seems clear enough: The person who either adds to or takes away from its contents will receive from YHWH the strictest punishment, a punishment with eternal consequences.
    This warning is even stronger than that of Deu_4:2 and Pro_30:6.

    Covenants often included curses against those who broke them; those who followed idols thus invited all the curses of Deuteronomy (Deu_29:20, Deu_29:27).

    Such claims of completeness or inspiration of books were often made in later times (for example, 1 Enoch; Josephus and Epistle of Aristeas made this claim for the LXX) to uphold their authority or to secure them against later editors interpolating their own ideas—a practice common in books that were not treated as sacred Scripture or other inspired writings.

    For I testify G4828 . Deu_4:2; Pro_30:5-6); Rev_22:16; Rev_22:20, Rev_3:14, Neh_13:15, Joh_21:24; Joh_21:25, Eph_4:17, 1Th_4:6.
    Testification is the act of testifying or giving testimony or evidence; as a direct testification of our homage to God. – Webster

    Who is “I”?
    The most natural interpretation is to refer it to the writer, John, himself, and not to the angel, the Spirit nor the bride, nor our Redeemer.
    The meaning seems to be, “I bear this solemn witness, or make this solemn affirmation, in conclusion.”
    The object is most likely to guard this book against being corrupted by any interpretation, interpolation or change.
    It would seem not improbable, from this, that as early as the time of John, books were liable to be corrupted by additions or omissions, revisions, or that at least there was felt to be great danger that mistakes might be made by the carelessness of transcribers.
    Against this danger, John would guard this book in the most solemn manner.
    Perhaps he felt, too, that as this book would be necessarily regarded as obscure from the fact that symbols were so much used, there was great danger that changes would be made by well-meaning persons with a view to make it appear more plain.

    OTOH, there is ample evidence that histories, prophecies, etc., were commonly revised to fit the needs or politics of the time.

    One glaring example is “Jewish” historian Flavius Josephus and Masada.

    I put Jewish in quotes, because you may have surmised that the name Flavius Josephus is not your common Jewish name.

    Let’s set the table:

    The city of Jerusalem lay in a smoldering ruin. The few Jews who had managed to escape fled to an escarpment on the edge of the Judean desert, the last outpost of the rebellion against Rome – Masada.

    Herod the Great built Masada as a hilltop retreat between 37 and 31 BCE, but the fortress’s beautiful terraced palaces – perched at the top of sheer cliffs – was now surrounded by a Roman legion.

    The siege lasted from 73–74 A.D., by which time the Roman governor’s army had constructed a giant earthen ramp so their battering rams could reach the outer walls.

    Josephus reports, in his “The Wars of the Jews”, Book 7 – that after this protracted siege by the Roman tenth legion, the situation of the Sacarii, the Jewish rebels holed up on the mountain fortress of Masada, became hopeless.

    Rather than be defeated and slaughtered by the Romans, or even worse, fall captive and be enslaved, the Jewish fighters chose to kill themselves and their families.

    Eleazar ben Ya’ir, the leader of the remnant who had taken refuge at Masada, addressed the rebels and their families:

    “Since we, long ago, my generous friends, resolved never to be servants to the Romans, nor to any other than to God himself … I cannot but esteem it as a favor that God hath granted us that it is still in our power to die bravely, and in a state of freedom.”

    In all, 960 men, women and children died before the fortress was breached.

    This event is one of the most famous and celebrated stories in Jewish history.

    Until recently, before recruits for the Israeli Armored Corps were formally accepted into the army, they were required to complete a dawn trek to the top of Masada.

    There, on the site where the Jewish fighters ended their own lives, they would take their oath of allegiance to the nation of Israel., closing with the a sacred oath:
    “Never again shall Masada fall.”

    Great stuff.

    But did it actually happen the way Josephus reported it?

    Did it happen at all?

    The quotation, “History is written by the victors.” is attributed to Winston Churchill, although there is evidence that it was actually first said by Hermann Göring, Churchill’s defeated enemy in World War II.

    History is always written by the winners.
    When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books – books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe.

    Napoleon said, ‘What is history, but a fable agreed upon? ‘”

    The only source we have for the story of Masada, and numerous other reported events from the time, is Josephus.

    Had Josephus not written it, the story might not have come down to us and no-one would have ever thought a mass death pact had taken place on the desert plateau where Herod the Great had built two palaces for himself and fortified the mountain.

    Josephus is in fact our only source not only for the events at Masada, but for many other things we think we know about the period, notably:
    1. nearly all we know about the reign of King Herod; 2. the different Jewish factions that fought amongst themselves during the war against the Romans;
    3. the fact that the Zaddokites did not believe in an afterlife, while the Pharisees did, and much more.

    So the question is: how reliable is Josephus?

    Surely, Josephus wouldn’t make things up out of nowhere. The Jewish War is a work of history, not fiction – isn’t it?

    That question would be applicable to any modern historian, even more so to one in antiquity.

    Josephus may have been a historian but then, scribes didn’t feel constrained to stick with naked truth as they knew it.

    Historians in ancient Greece and Rome did not quibble about writing, probably in perfectly good faith, that their gods were behind a tragedy or victory, or writing the version of affairs that the powers-that-be-at-the-moment wanted them to write.

    Evaluating the veracity of Josephus two thousand years after he lived is challenging not least because of the sheer volume of his writings, and the vast span of time since the events he described.

    It is therefore helpful, in judging Josephus’ writings, to narrow our focus to one or two of the events he presents, and see what history indicates his accuracy.

    We need to begin with the death pact – at Yodfat.

    Flavius Josephus, original name Joseph Ben Matthias, was the second son of Matthias, an aristocratic Jewish priest, and was born in Jerusalem in 37 C.E..

    When the Great Jewish Revolt broke out in 66 C.E., the Jerusalem aristocracy appointed him – yes, our friend Josephus – military governor of the Galilee, to prepare for the imminent Roman onslaught.

    The attack came in April 67 C.E.: three Roman legions led by the Roman general and future emperor Vespasian landed in Acre (called Ptolemais at the time), and began to swiftly overwhelm the defenses that Josephus had put in place.

    By June, the Romans had taken most of the Galilee and lay siege to the town of Yodfat. Josephus and his garrison deflected the Roman attempts to take the town, for a time – but after 47 days, the Romans managed to breach the walls.

    Yodfat was destroyed and its inhabitants were slaughtered.

    According to Josephus, 40,000 were killed by the Romans and 1,200 were taken captive and enslaved, but these numbers seem to be greatly exaggerated, because the town was way too small to hold that many people in it.

    Josephus wrote that as Yodfat fell, he and another 40 prominent Jews hid in a cave.

    He says he advocated for surrender but was outvoted by those who insisted that they all die rather than surrender.

    Because Jews are forbidden to take their own lives, Josephus says they drew lots determining who would kill whom.

    One by one the survivors were killed until “either by chance or by providence” only he and another man remained, and the two resolved to surrender.

    Up until the surrender, does any of this sound familiar?

    When Josephus surrendered to Vespasian, Josephus flattered the future Roman Emperor by claiming that he received a divine revelation that the general would become emperor.

    This likely saved his life. After two and a half years as a Roman prisoner, when the Roman Senate proclaimed Vespasian emperor and Josephus’ prophecy was thusly proven true, the historian was released from captivity.

    Joseph Ben Matthias, now writing history to suit Vespasian, was there to see Jerusalem fall in 70 C.E. and watch the Temple go up in flames, which he says took place on the 10th day of Av.

    This contradicts the traditional Jewish account that the Temple was burned a day earlier on the 9th of Av. This discrepancy is difficult to reconcile.

    Perhaps Josephus took some creative license and added an extra day before the fall of Jerusalem, so he could claim that the city fell on the exact same date that the First Temple fell based on Jer_52:12 – the 10th day of Av.

    Indeed, Josephus’ description of the day before the fall, the ninth, is suspiciously uneventful, with the besieging forces illogically resting and the Jewish defenders uncharacteristically not staging any counter-attacks.

    OTOH, it is also possible that it was the rabbis who moved the day of the destruction of the Second Temple to a day earlier, for some theological reason.

    Who can say?

    Either way, after the rebellion had been mostly quelled, with only small pockets of resistance, namely atop Masada, remaining, in 71 C.E. Josephus left for Rome in the entourage of general Titus, Vespasian’s son and eight years later his successor.

    It was there that Joseph Ben Matthias became a Roman citizen and, under his new name, Titus Flavius Josephus, began writing his famous histories.

    But it seems it was only three years after he left for Rome that Masada finally fell.

    Josephus himself says only that the desert fortress fell on the 15th of the spring month of Xanthicus, which is the sixth month of the Macedonian calendar, but he doesn’t mention the year.

    The only way to infer the year of Masada’s tragedy is the order of events in his book: he records it after events in the years 71 and 72, leading to the assumption that Masada fell in 73.

    However, another source of information is two Latin inscriptions describing the works of the Roman general who took Masada, Lucius Flavius Silva.

    They don’t cite dates either, but Silva was doing other things in the spring of 73, leading to the conclusion that Masada actually fell to the Romans in the year 74.

    In any case, evidently Josephus’ account is not that of an eye-witness testimony.

    This of course does not necessarily mean that Josephus’ accounts of the events are made up.

    He could have relied on witness testimony, perhaps from the Roman legionaries that had captured Masada or from Jewish survivors who found their way to Rome as slaves.

    But Josephus doesn’t tell us how he learned about the events he described.

    But even granting the possibility that Josephus did have trustworthy sources for the events that transpired, it does seem a bit suspicious that the end of the siege at Masada is so similar to the end of the siege at Yodfat, does it not?

    Remember, it was Josephus who provided us with that beautiful speech allegedly made by the leader of the Sacarrii, Eleazar Ben-Ya’ir, to the bravest of his men:
    “We have it in our power to die nobly and in freedom. Our fate at the break of day is certain capture, but there is still the free choice of a noble death with those we hold most dear.”

    It seems like a strong argument that Josephus made up this speech, since by his own telling, all those who would have heard the speech would have died, so who could have reported it?

    We must conclude that Josephus had no problem making stuff up.

    This is not surprising.

    It was the norm among ancient historians to sacrifice truth and accuracy for beauty and rhetoric.

    Indeed, the decision of vanquished warriors to kill themselves rather than fall into the hands of their enemies was rather a recurring motif among ancient historians, appearing in many histories (Prof. Shaye Cohen of the Harvard Divinity School compiled a list of 16 examples in an article published in 1982).

    It is not a stretch to imagine that Josephus would borrow this theme from one of these other histories and apply it to the Sacarrii in order to make them, and by extension all Jews, seem more noble and praiseworthy in the eyes of the Romans.

    After all, this is clearly the goal of his books.

    It is quite reasonable then that the death pact atop Masada was made up by Josephus.

    Indeed, at least some of the details of the story provided by Josephus have not been supported by archaeological excavation at Masada.

    Even if Josephus is evidently not completely reliable, this does not mean we should disregard everything he tells us as mere fabrication.

    Like all other texts from antiquity, the facts stated therein need to be evaluated critically. Some seem surely false, but others are well likely to be true.

    Take for example the person of John of Giscala, one of the leaders in the Jewish revolt, of whom we know only through the writings of Josephus.

    Perhaps we can take Josephus’ characterization of him as “a very cunning and very knavish person” whose “wicked practices had not his fellow anywhere” with a grain of salt: after all the men were mortal enemies.

    But surely we can believe Josephus that this man existed, that he led forces against the Romans, and that he was supported by the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.

    If John hadn’t existed, why would Josephus had bothered to make him up? Would he say the Sanhedrin supported his rival just in order to fool future historians?

    every man G3956 . or, every one; all, the whole, without exception.
    that heareth G191 . That is, every one who is present at the reading aloud of the Book in church or meetings; it is, therefore, designed to be read aloud in Church or meetings . Rev_1:3.

    More than just hearing some sound, but hearing with understanding or taking it more than just a sound.
    You can hear a dog bark, but to understand you have to understand why the dog is barking.

    words G3056 G3004 . logos, Joh_5:29
    of the prophecy G4394 G4396 . Jer_26:2, Gal_1:8; Gal_1:9.
    this G5127 book G975 G976 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:9, Deu_31:24, Act_1:20.
    If G1437 . Mat_4:9, 1Co_3:12-13.
    add G2007 G1909 G5087 unto G4314 . Deu_4:2; Deu_12:32, Pro_30:6, Isa_5:20; Isa_5:24, Eze_13:3, Mat_15:9, Mar_7:7, Gal_1:8; Gal_1:9.
    Many texts read epi G1909 – a prefix occurring in Greek, where it meant “upon,” “on,” “over,” “near,” “at,” “before,” “after”
    these things G5023 . Some texts read “them” . Deu_4:2; Deu_12:32, Jos_1:7, 1Sa_12:19, 1Ki_12:11, Pro_19:27; Pro_30:6, Isa_8:20, Jer_23:28; Jer_23:29, Mat_7:15-20; Mat_15:6-9; Mat_15:13; Mat_24:11; Mat_24:24; Mat_28:20, 1Co_3:12-13.
    It appears that the reference here is to the book of Revelation only – for at that time the books that now constitute what we call the Bible were not collected into a single volume.
    This passage, therefore, should not be argued that it is referring to the entire Bible.
    Every various verse that prohibits adding and deleting words seem to be pointing to that exact situation.
    OTOH, the principle is one that is thus applicable; for it is obvious that no one has a right to change any part of any inspired revelation which YHWH makes to man; to presume to add to it, or to take from it, or in any way to modify it. 2Ti_3:16.

    Yeshua spoke against religious leaders adding and taking away from YHWH’s pure word.

    YHWH seems to be a God of patterns and order.
    The Torah appears to have been given to Moses in letters, not words. If we change even one letter, it confuses the words.

    When the Torah was written, there was no New Testament yet.

    Over and over again, Yeshua and the Apostles refered back to the Torah and the Prophets. Like the Bereans, they studied them over and over to insure what they were saying was truly YHWH’s Truth.

    Psalm 199 – how amazing and precious is YHWH’s Word.

    God G2316 shall add G2007 G1909 G5087. Rev_14:10-11; Rev_15:1; Rev_16:1-3; Rev_16:8-11; Rev_16:17-18; Rev_16:21; Rev_19:20; Rev_20:10; Rev_20:15, Exo_9:14, Lev_26:18; Lev_26:24-25; Lev_26:28; Lev_26:37, Pro_10:22, Isa_28:22.
    unto G1909 . Gr. epi.
    the plagues G4127 G4141 . Rev_18:8, Exo_9:14; Exo_15:26, Lev_26:21, Deu_28:59-61; Deu_29:20; Deu_29:22, 1Sa_4:8, 1Ki_8:38, Jer_19:8.
    Do these “plagues” refer to the numerous methods described in Revelation as those in which YHWH would bring severe judgment upon the persecutors of the church and the corrupters of religion?
    The meaning seems to be that such a person would be regarded as an enemy of his religion, and would share the fearful doom of all such enemies.

    And if. Mat_4:9.
    take away G851 from G575 . Rev_22:18, Gen_2:17 Gen_3:4, Deu_4:2; Deu_12:32, Pro_30:5-6, Isa_66:2, Jer_26:2; Jer_36:23; Jer_36:32, Amo_2:4; Amo_2:5, Mat_19:9 Luk_11:52, Joh_3:7 Gal_1:8; Gal_1:9, 1Th_4:2 Heb_10:4
    God G2316 . Rev_3:5; Rev_13:8, Exo_32:33, Psa_69:28.
    shall take away G851 . Luk_8:18.
    his part G3313 . Deu_18:1, Jos_22:25; Jos_22:27, Act_8:21, Eph_1:11.
    out of G575 the book G976 of life G2222 . Rev_13:8, Psa_69:28, Rev_22:2; Rev_22:14, Rev_2:7, Gen_2:9; Gen_3:22, Exo_32:32.
    and out of G1537 . Rev_21:2; Rev_21:22-27.
    holy G40 city G4172 . Rev_11:2; Rev_21:2; Rev_21:10, Isa_48:2; Isa_52:1, Mat_4:5; Mat_27:53, Heb_12:22.
    and from the things written G1125 . Rev_22:12, Rev_1:3; Rev_2:7; Rev_2:11; Rev_2:17; Rev_2:26; Rev_3:4-5; Rev_3:12; Rev_3:21; Rev_7:9-17; Rev_14:13; Rev_20:15.

    Can we harmonize the punishments in these two verses?
    Add a word, YHWH adds the plagues.
    Take away from a word, YHWH takes away benefits.
    Can a person suffering plagues be in the holy city and have a share in the book of life?
    Eve added to YHWH’s Word, while the serpent took away from YHWH’s Word (Gen_3:1-6) – it adversely affected the serpent, Adam and Eve and all mankind (Gen_3:14-19).

    Examples of Comparisons of Genesis to Revelation:

    1. The creation of heaven and earth
    Gen_1:1-31 thru Gen_2:1-4
    The creation of the new heaven and earth

    2. The Eden Sanctuary,
    the river that flowed out of Eden, and
    the Tree of Life
    The Sanctuary of the New Jerusalem,
    the river that flowed from the New Jerusalem, and
    the Tree of Life
    Rev_21:9-27 thru Rev_22:1-2

    3. The bridegroom (Adam),
    the bride (Eve) and
    the wedding of Adam and Eve
    The Bride (Church), and
    her Bridegroom (Christ);
    the wedding of the Lamb

    4. Satan and the woman, Eve
    Satan and “the Woman,” the “new Eve”

    5. The curse
    The curse is abolished

    6. Death enters creation
    Death is destroyed

    7. Babylon built;
    judgment on the nations
    Gen_10:10; Gen_11:14
    Babylon destroyed;
    judgment on the nations

    8. The Redeemer is promised
    The victorious Redeemer reigns
    Rev_20:1-6; Rev_21:22-27; Rev_22:3-5

    He which testifieth G3140 G3144 . Rev_22:16, Rev_22:18 Rev_1:2; Rev_3:14; Rev_19:10, Joh_21:24.
    Surely G3483 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:10; Rev_22:12.
    I come G2064 . Rev_22:17, Rev_2:25; Rev_3:11; Rev_16:15, Psa_50:3, Isa_25:9; Isa_35:4; Isa_40:10, Mal_4:6, Joh_21:22, Rom_13:11, 1Co_11:26, Php_3:20, 1Ti_1:1, 2Ti_4:8, Tit_2:13, 1Pe_1:3.
    quickly G5035 . Rev_22:7, Rev_22:12, Rev_1:3, Psa_40:17; Psa_70:5, Php_4:5, Heb_10:37, Jas_5:8.
    Amen G281 H543 H539 . Rev_1:7; Rev_3:14; Rev_5:14; Rev_19:4, Psa_41:13; Psa_72:19, Jer_28:6, Mat_6:13; Mat_28:20, Rom_9:5, 1Co_14:16, 2Co_1:20.
    Even so G3483 . Jdg_5:31, Rev_1:7.
    come G2064 . Rev_1:18, Psa_37:34; Psa_40:17; Psa_63:1-2; Psa_70:5; Psa_144:5, Son_8:14, Isa_25:9; Isa_40:31; Isa_64:1, Mat_6:10; Mat_24:42-46; Mat_25:10, Joh_21:25, 1Co_16:22, 1Th_1:10, Tit_2:13, 2Ti_4:8, Heb_9:28 2Pe_3:12-14.
    Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 H3091 . The use of the word “Lord” shows the utterance to be John’s. None of His followers, when He was on earth, were ever so irreverent as to address Him as “Jesus”. Rev_22:12, Rom_14:9-12, 1Co_12:3 Php_2:11.

    “Come, Lord” translates the “Marana tha” prayer common in early Christianity (1Co_16:22), acknowledging believers’ early recognition of Jesus’ deity.
    It’s placed in the Scripture in an interesting spot – amongst all the declarations of agape love for the brethren.
    It’s an example of how far early Christians had come: from devout Jews (YHWH), switching from Judaism to recognizing Yeshua as the Redeemer.
    “Maranatha” G3134 is an Aramaic phrase (Syriac words, Moran Etho) that occurs only here in the New Testament.

    Finding an Aramaic phrase in a Greek letter sent to a Greek church might seem strange, to say the least.
    But the phrase, by then, had already became some sort of synthesis of the hopes and spirit of the Early Church.
    The only other occurrence of the Aramaic maran atha is in an early Christian document called the Didache (“The Teaching”), where it appears in a chapter on the eucharist (Didache 10:6), thus clearly being part of the early Middle Eastern Christian tradition.
    Some authors claimed this phrase, because of its being so short, was already used as an early equivalent formulation of the Eastern Jesus Prayer:
    “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner”.
    This prayer (regardless of the formula one chooses to use, either the “Jesus Prayer” or “Maranatha”) often repeated continually as a part of personal ascetic practice, has been esteemed by the spiritual fathers of many Christian traditions as a method able to bring about the Prayer of the Heart, considered to be the “unceasing prayer” that Paul advocates for in his Letter to the Romans.(Rom_12:12)

    But what does the phrase “Maranatha” mean?

    It depends on how the word/phrase itself is split.
    Even more, both options have different theological and spiritual meanings.

    It is not entirely clear what the actual “original” formula might have been, but if we decide to read the phrase as Marana Tha, then the formula includes a vocative – that is, a calling to another – next to a verb in the entreaty.
    That is, the phrase would read as asking (or even, demanding!) the Lord to come: “O Lord, come!” (Dan_7:13-14); Rev_22:12)

    This is, indeed, the kind of expressions one finds in the verse we are studying (Rev_22:20) and 1Co_16:22.

    However, if we split the phrase as saying Maran Atha, then the meaning radically changes: it becomes an affirmation, a creedal expression that clearly estates “Our Lord has come,” an equivalent to the kind of claims one finds in Rom_10:9 and 1Co_12:3, where Paul affirms “Jesus is Lord.”

    In both cases, Maranatha is an affirmation of faith in the Logos who became Yeshua and lived among us and through His Ransom Sacrifice proved Himself as Christ.

    By contrast, for the testimony of witnesses at the end of a document.
    Greco-Roman and Jewish legal documents typically ended with attestation by witnesses.
    “We know that his witness is true” may be a postscript added by John’s own disciples, attesting to the veracity of his eyewitness, although it is not beyond John to write such words himself (Joh_19:35; – the plural witness in 1 John, e.g., 1Jn_1:1-4).

    This was an appropriate concluding greeting, often attached to Christian letters, addressed to ordinary believers, often called “saints,” not to kings, priests, or religious leaders.

    The grace G5485 G5463 . Rev_1:4, Psa_45:2, Zec_4:7, Joh_1:16; Joh_1:17, Rom_1:7; Rom_5:20; Rom_16:20; Rom_16:24, 1Co_1:3; 1Co_15:10; 1Co_16:23, 2Co_1:2; 2Co_12:9; 2Co_13:14, Gal_1:3; Gal_1:6; Gal_6:18, Eph_1:2; Eph_2:5; Eph_2:7; Eph_6:23; Eph_6:24, Php_1:2; Php_4:23, Col_1:2; Col_4:18, 1Th_1:1; 1Th_5:28, 2Th_1:2; 2Th_3:18, 1Ti_1:2; 1Ti_1:14; 1Ti_6:21, 2Ti_1:2; 2Ti_4:22, Tit_1:4; Tit_3:15, Phm_1:3; Phm_1:25, Heb_13:25.
    The favor; the mercy, etc.
    Christ is the Prince of peace (Isa_9:6; Luk_2:14; Joh_14:27), and this expression seems to be “a prayer” to Him, or an earnest wish expressed, that the design of His coming might be accomplished in promoting the prevalence of order and peace 1Co_16:23.

    Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 H3091 Christ G5547 G5548 H4899 H4886 . Rev_11:8 Mar_16:19.
    be with G3326 . Rev_1:19, Mat_28:20, 1Co_16:23, 2Co_13:11, Php_4:23, 2Th_3:18.
    you all G3956 . Many translations read “all the saints [holy ones, God’s people]” . Rev_8:3; Rev_8:4; Rev_11:18; Rev_13:7; Rev_13:10; Rev_14:12; Rev_16:6; Rev_17:6; Rev_18:20; Rev_18:24; Rev_19:8; Rev_20:9, 2Co_13:13.
    Amen G281 H543 H539 .Rev_22:20, Jer_28:6, Luk_24:53, 1Co_14:16.

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ begins with holy ones and concludes the Book of Revelation (Rev_1:4), implying that the message of grace and the free gift of eternal life in Christ (Eph_2:8-9)—not merely the message of judgment upon unbelievers—can be found in this book.

    There are three interesting variant translations in the manuscripts here.
    1. In the (NU) [Critical Text published in the twenty-sixth edition of the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament (N) and in the United Bible Societie’s third edition (U), hence the acronym “NU-Text.] John wishes Christ’s grace to all—which hardly harmonizes with Revelation’s theme of impending wrath on many.
    2. The traditional (TR, KJV, NKJV) translations seem to harmonize better with Revelation’s theme: Christ’s grace is wished to “you all”—many of the hearers and readers of Revelation will be true believers.
    3. The translation that seems to harmonize the closest to the Greek is found in several interlinear translations, Rotherham and NKJV margin: “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all the saints [holy ones, God’s people, etc]. Amen.”

    At the time John wrote Revelation, he was writing to the seven churches.
    The “all” seems to be “all those I am writing this to”.

    All those inside the holy city will receive “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ”.
    What about those referred to in Rev_22:15?

    It seems likely that YHWH was looking ahead to all humanity (1Ti_2:3-6).

    Having completed our survey study of Revelation, we’ll resume our study:
    To gain a clearer and more accurate understanding of:
    Torment – as defined in the Bible – How does torment affect those mentioned in the Bible.
    works, and,

    (Luk_21:28 KJV)  And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

  31. Bro Dave says:


    BS believes that we are now in the Christ’s Kingdom.
    Some say peace and security was going to be brought about by a man.
    Was former President Trump used by YHWH to introduce peace and security to Israel?
    Some BS believe that we are in the invisible reign of Christ.
    It appears that the invisible kingdom was invented when the predicted end of the world was not evident in 1914.

    Mat_24:21-31; Rev_1:7; Zec_12:10 
    Has anybody seen any evidence of this?
    Affects inhabitants in the same geographical area.
    Israel still looking for the Messiah.
    When breaking down each word in Rev_1:7, it indicates that all tribes in the land will beat their chests in front of Him.
    This also indicates Christ will rule from earth, not heaven.
    Also, in Act_1:11; Act_1:9-11;

    Small churches seem to be more Scriptural than large ones. Consider Paul’s letters – sent to large churches. He did not send a letter to the small ecclesia at Berea (Act_17:10-12).

    Paul ministered to a plethora of locations, and usually in the homes, synagogues and/or market places.

    Early on, most of the persecution came from the Jews, his own people (AND, he was a Roman citizen to boot).

    The first century church (Acts) was clearly not attempting to create a large church.

    No “doctrines” were created.

    All a church required was Holy Spirit, and dedication to following Yeshua’s teachings and commands, without adding any human traditions.


    Paul was faithful to Yeshua’s teachings all the way to his end (Act_28:16-31). He always taught from and stood firm on the Scriptures available to them at that time and Yeshua’s teachings.

    YHWH’s Spirit seems to be at work – the fulfillment of pouring out the Spirit has not yet been completed.
    Part of the out-pouring is the meeting together in small studies focusing on what the Scriptures themselves steach us.
    What unites us is our faith and trust in YHWH’s and Yeshua’s Word. This unites us.

    Reconciliation seems to be a part of this unity. It is a big part of the Plan.
    Practically, how do reconcile with family?

    We’ll resume our study:
    To gain a clearer and more accurate understanding of:
    Torment and Gehenna – as defined in the Bible – How does torment affect those mentioned in the Bible.
    Works, and,


    (Luk_21:28 KJV)  And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

  32. Jacqueline says:

    Br. Dave, I read Zechariah as you suggested and chapters 13 – 14 caught my attention.

    I wondered how Israel could be in idolatry today and these are some thoughts on it.

    The wailing wall could be an idol and a stumbling block for the Jews and the many visitors from all over the world.
    Tourists visit the “holy places”, although there are no little statues like the Catholic Church, there is much emphasis on the holiness of the land instead of the Holiness of their God.

    It has gotten to be very commercial like in Jesus day and they have married the world.

    This was just such an eye-opening scripture also in chapter 14 about future events to befall Israel during their and our Great Tribulation.

    These are Jehovah’s people and He will bless and save them but hopefully, more of our Jewish brothers will read and accept Christ so they may be the ones spared during the trials on Israel.

    Last night was such an enjoyable study night and thank you so much for co-ordinating our little group.
    God Bless

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