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  1. bereanbible says:


    A word-for-word Greek to English Interlinear translation of the verses we\’re studying (minus the Strong\’s numbers and the original Greek words).






    What about when human theories, science and discoveries seems to contradict the Bible?
    Several of our Fellowship expressed thoughts, historical examples and Scriptures (Ex: Gen_3:1-5; 2Co_11:13-14; 2Pe_3:5; Isa_29:16) concerning this.

    Then, we began our study with Rev_21:4.

    Revelation 21:4
    God G2316 shall wipe away G1813 . Rev_7:17, Psa_23:2, Isa_25:8, Jer_31:16; Jer_31:17, Mat_5:4, Act_3:19, 2Co_5:2.
    all G3956 tears G1144 . Or, every tear, without exception. Psa_30:5; Psa_116:8; Psa_126:5-6, Isa_65:19, Mat_8:12, Luk_6:21, Act_20:37, 2Ti_1:4.
    no G3756 more G2089 death G2288 G2348. Rev_20:14; Rev_22:3, 2Ki_2:21, Psa_17:15, Isa_25:8; Isa_65:20, Hos_13:14, Luk_20:36, Joh_11:25, Rom_5:17; Rom_7:24; Rom_8:23, 1Co_15:24-26; 1Co_15:54-58, 2Ti_1:10, Heb_2:14; Heb_2:15.
    neither sorrow G3997 G3958. Or, mourning. Rev_18:8-9; Rev_18:11; Rev_18:19, 2Sa_7:10, 1Ch_17:9, Job_14:1, Psa_30:11, Isa_30:19; Isa_35:10; Isa_51:11; Isa_60:20; Isa_61:3; Isa_65:18; Isa_65:19, Jer_31:12; Jer_31:13, Mat_5:4; Mat_6:20, Joh_16:20; Joh_16:22, 1Th_4:13; 1Th_4:18, 2Th_1:7, Jas_4:9, Jud_1:24.
    nor crying G2906 G2896 . Rev_2:10; Rev_13:10; Rev_13:17, Exo_3:7; Exo_3:9, Est_4:2-3, Psa_30:11, Isa_65:19.
    any more G2089 pain G4192 G3993 . Rev_7:16; Rev_16:10-11, Isa_33:24, Eze_28:24, Rom_8:18-23.
    the former things G4413 . or, first. The present age; emphatic in Greek . Rev_21:1; Rev_21:22, Rev_20:11, Psa_144:4, Isa_25:7-8; Isa_35:10; Isa_65:17, Jer_31:16, Mat_24:35; 1Co_7:31; 1Co_15:4-5, 2Co_4:17; 2Co_4:18; 2Co_6:17, 2Pe_3:10, 1Jn_2:17.
    are passed away G565 . Rev_21:1, Psa_57:1, Eze_28:24; Eze_37:23, Zep_3:15, Zec_14:11, Mat_6:13, Luk_16:17, Mat_24:35; Heb_4:9.

    Continuing theme that everything is going to be new.
    If there\’s \”first things\”, we know there\’s going to be additional things.

    What is time frame for this?
    AFTER the Millennium, because in Rev_20:2; Rev_20:7; Rev_20:10; Rev_20:14, satan has been abyssed, loosed, then destroyed, and after 1Co_15:24-26.
    So, Scripturally, death is still part of human existence until AFTER the Millennium has concluded.

    What condition concerning humans HAS to have been met for these events to occur?
    Rev_21:2 – Bride, not yet married, but ready to be wed.
    Coming down \”from God\” – Bride has the Name of Son and the Father. This seems to be the 144,000.
    See Mat_22:1-14

    Also, for earthly humans:
    Rev_21:3 –
    Humans must have reached perfection – no longer under the curse of sin – in order for YHWH to tabernacle (dwell) with them.
    Humans must have bodies to enable them to dwell with YHWH. 1Jn_3:2

    Wipe away every tear fulfills the promises in Rev_7:17 and Isa_25:8.
    Not a tear shall ever be shed then. How different will that be from the condition now – for who now in our Fellowship has never agonized and cried?

    No more death G2288 G2348 goes far beyond the earlier promise of Rev_7:16, which promises freedom from hunger, thirst, and scorching heat.
    Not a grave shall ever be dug!
    How different from now, where death is so common;
    where it spares no one;
    where our best friends die;
    where the wise, the good, the useful, the lovely die;
    where fathers, mothers, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, all die;
    where we habitually feel that we must die.
    Nothing is more common than death.
    YHWH\’s Promise is that we will never see death again; nor we will never ourselves die after this point in time.
    We will never follow a relative or friend to the tomb, nor fear that an absent relative or friend is dead. The slow funeral procession will never again be witnessed; nor will the earth ever be disturbed to furnish a grave. (1Co_15:55)

    Death was defeated already by Jesus\’ resurrection.

    Neither sorrow – G3997 G3958 – denotes sorrow, mourning or grief of any kind;
    sorrow for the loss of property or friends;
    sorrow for disappointment, persecution, or care;
    sorrow over our sins, or sorrow that we love YHWH so little, and serve him so unfaithfully;
    sorrow that we are sick, or that we must die.
    How innumerable are the sources of sorrow here; how constant is it today!
    Since the fall of man there has not been a day, an hour, a moment, in which this has not been a sorrowful world; there has not been a nation, a tribe – a city or a village – not even a single family, where there has not been grief.
    I believe that there has been no individual who has been always perfectly happy.
    No one that I know rises in the morning with any certainty that he may not end the day in grief; no one lies down at night with any assurance that it may not be a night of sorrow.
    How different it will be when from this point on there will be no sorrow!

    Nor crying – κG2906 G2896 ” This word denotes a cry, an outcry, as in giving a public notice; a cry in a tumult – a clamor, Act_23:9; and then a cry of sorrow, or wailing.
    This seems to be its meaning here, and it refers to all the outbursts of grief arising from affliction, from oppression, from violence.
    It seems to me that as none of these causes of wailing will be known in the future state, all such wailing will cease.
    This, too, will make our future existence vastly different from our condition now; for what a change would it produce on the earth if the cry of grief were never to be heard again!

    Neither shall there be any more pain G4192 G3993 – There will be no sickness, and no calamity; and there will be no mental sorrow arising from remorse, from disappointment, or from the evil conduct of friends. And what a change would this produce – for how full of pain is the world now!
    How many lie on beds of languishing, that is, being feeble; losing strength; pining; withering; fading;
    how many are suffering under incurable diseases;
    how many are undergoing severe surgical operations;
    how many are pained by the loss of property or friends, or subjected to acuter anguish by the misconduct of those who are loved!
    How different would this world be, if all pain were to cease forever; how different, therefore, must the state of the future be from the present!

    Former (first) things have passed away echoes both v. Rev_21:1 and 2Co_5:17.

    This is perhaps the most hopeful (for humans) Scripture in the Bible.
    Where governments attempt to care for food and shelter – this Promise takes care of the PERSONAL.
    Only YHWH can take care of all these things for His children.


    We’ll begin our study with Revelation 21:5, then continue with Revelation 21:6-8, time permitting.

  2. Bro Dave says:



    “tormented” – discussion upcoming in the near future.

    Our study of Revelation: this is a Revelation from YHWH to Yeshua (who did not know it), then Yeshua to an angel, then the angel to John.
    This demonstrates distinctness between YHWH and Yeshua.
    Many people cling to the Trinity doctrine in spite of the overwhelming Scriptural proof against it.

    Yeshua, the only begotten G3439 son of YHWH.
    Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, 1Jn_4:9

    Did that creation, or bursting forth, cause any diminishing of YHWH’s Power at that moment?

    When we humans see things, they were created.

    But the creative process is different from the process of giving birth.

    The Logos, pre-Yeshua, is the exact representation of YHWH’s essence.

    Referring to Yeshua.

    begotten G1080

    begotten G3439

    Then, we began our study with Rev_21:5.

    Revelation 21:5
    that sat G2521 G2596. or, sitteth. Rev_4:2; Rev_4:9; Rev_5:1; Rev_7:10; Rev_20:11, Psa_47:8, Isa_6:1.
    Behold. Isa_42:9; Isa_43:19; Isa_64:4, 1Co_2:9, 2Co_5:17.
    I make G4160 . Rev_1:8.
    all G3956 things (supplied) new G2537 .
    Gr. kainos (S# G2537, Mar_2:22). Not recent, but changed from the old (Greek “kaina,” not “nea”).
    It is the word for unused, not worn out, rather than neos G3501 , which means recently come into existence).
    Rev_21:1, Psa_102:25-26; Psa_104:30, Ecc_1:9, Isa_43:18; Isa_43:19; Isa_65:17; Isa_66:22, Eze_36:26, Mat_19:28, Mar_2:22, Luk_5:38, Rom_8:18-25, Gal_6:15, 2Co_5:17, Eph_1:10, Col_3:10.

    Making everything new – we want to see this.
    Like Job, we offer up prayers for our families so we can all be together again.

    QUESTION: Is this is the “restitution G605 G600 of all things” to which Peter refers in Act_3:21, and the “deliverance G1659 of the creation G2937 from the bondage of corruption” which Paul anticipates in Rom_8:21?
    Time of universal restoration” Margin NOTE: “Time of refreshment”
    Goes along with “all things new”.
    The way things were in the very beginning.
    We all aspire to become sons of YHWH; we are all sons of Adam right now.
    YHWH will liberate the creation from that bondage.

    Those reborn through faith in Christ bring newness to those persons’ lives, but it is only in the eternal state that YHWH will:
    make all things G3956 new G2537 . (KJV)
    NOTE that the word “things” is supplied, NOT part of the original Greek text.
    In the original Greek, this phrase reads:
    “I make all G3956 new G2537 .”

    OR, using the Strong’s definition
    “I make all G3956 fresh G2537 .”

    OR, using the Greek Interlinear
    “fresh G2537 all G3956 I make .”

    QUESTION: Assuming the correct translation might be, “Behold, fresh all I make”, does that translation alter anyone’s perception or understanding of this passage?
    Supports and is supported by Rom_8:21
    Freshing can mean return it to original state.
    Can also mean reducing everything to elements and then reforming it.

    QUESTION: If “fresh” is the correct definition of G2537, does that definition alter anyone’s perception or understanding of “a fresh heaven and a fresh earth” in Rev_21:1?
    Does not seem to change the meaning.
    A “fresh” start is a “new” start.
    Going to get “fresh” apples can mean getting “new” apples.
    Maybe so, apples are decaying – like our earth – and we need “fresh” or “new”.

    said G3004 . or, saith. Rev_19:9; Rev_22:6.
    Write G1125 . See on Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_2:1; Rev_2:8; Rev_2:12; Rev_2:18; Rev_3:1; Rev_3:7; Rev_3:14; Rev_14:13; Rev_19:9, Hab_2:2.
    these words G3056 . Rev_19:9; Rev_22:6, Psa_119:89; Psa_119:90, Mat_24:35; 1Pe_1:23; 1Pe_1:25.
    true G228 G227 and G2532 .
    Rev_3:7; Rev_3:14; Rev_19:11; Rev_22:6, Dan_11:2, 2Co_1:20.
    faithful G4103 G3982 . Rev_22:6, Psa_119:90, 1Ti_1:15.

    QUESTION – What might have been the purpose of including this last sentence in this verse?

    Rev_21:4 has so much in it, that it can be difficult to accept.
    Also, questions – Will my family be with me? Will I remember my family.
    This verse says, “Trust me – it’s going to be right.”

    1Ki_17:24, 2Ki_20:19, Psa_33:4, Isa_39:8, Joh_17:17, Col_1:5, 1Th_2:13

    These words are founded in truth, and they are worthy to be believed.
    In Rev_19:9, the last phrase, “These are the true sayings of God. -KJV”, confirms all by a solemn declaration. The importance of what is here said; the importance of having it fixed in the mind, amid the trials of life and the scenes of persecution through which the Bride was to pass, makes this solemn declaration proper.
    The idea seems to be, that in all times of persecution – in every dark hour of despondency – the Bride, as such, and every individual member of the Bride class, should receive YHWH’s Word as a solemn truth never to be doubted, that Christ will finally prevail, and that all persecution and sorrow now will be followed by unimaginable immense joy and happiness in heaven and on earth.

    We’ll resume our study of Rev_21:1-8 with Rev_21:6.

  3. Jacqueline says:

    I for one am looking forward to verses 6-8.
    This study has been a blessing from God.
    The Holy Spirit is an excellent and gracious teacher.
    All praise for this increased understanding goes to Jehovah God and Jesus our Savior.

  4. Bro Dave says:


    We began our study with:

    Revelation 21:6

    It is done G1096 . A few texts (e.g., ASV; NWT; RVIC) read “They are come to pass”, or, fulfilled. Rev_10:6; Rev_11:15, Rev_16:17, Gen_1:31, Psa_22:31, Eze_39:8, Joh_19:30, Act_3:21.
    This is the same as the great voice from the temple of heaven in Rev_16:17 that proclaims the completion of YHWH’s wrath being poured out on Babylon.
    And, remarkably similar to this occurs in Joh_19:30, when Yeshua on the cross said, “It is finished G5055.”
    Notice who has control of all of these: Yeshua.

    I am Alpha G1 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:11; Rev_1:17; Rev_22:13; Rev_22:16, Zec_13:7, Act_3:15, Php_2:6.
    Omega G5598 Rev_1:8, Rev_1:11, Rev_21:6, Rev_22:13
    the beginning G746 G756. Rev_1:8; Rev_3:14, Gen_1:1, Mic_5:2, Joh_1:1, Rom_11:36, Eph_1:10; Eph_4:6, Col_1:18.
    and the end G5056 . Isa_44:6.
    Here it appears to be the completion of the new creation by Him who is the Alpha G1 and the Omega G5598 of all things is the focus.
    Some claim that the speaker here is Christ, for it is the very language which He may have used of Himself in Rev_1:11.
    NOTE: However, note the location of the voice:
    (Revelation 1:10 KJV) I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind G3694 me a great voice, as of a trumpet.
    (Revelation 1:5 KJV) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and
    the prince G758 of the kings G935 of the earthG1093.
    Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
    (Revelation 1:6 KJV) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    (Revelation 1:7 KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
    (Revelation 1:8 KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord G2962, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty G3841.

    QUESTION: Can we harmonize the words used in Rev_1:8, especially, Lord G2962 and, Almighty G3841 with the idea they refer to Yeshua (Jesus)?
    Rev_21:2 mentions New Jerusalem coming down from YHWH.
    Rev_21:5 mentions making all things new from YHWH.
    In Hebrew alphabet, each letter has numerical value.

    An idiom – something covered from 1st letter to last letter – some is totally covered, completely. It has deeper meaning in Hebrew than in Greek.
    –“The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet”

    Rev_1:17 seems to indicate our Redeemer’s Voice.
    Read Rev_1:11-18 for context.

    QUESTION: How do we harmonize this with Rev_1:8?
    Rev_1:18 – has to be Yeshua

    the first,H7223 IH589 alsoH637 am the last.H314

    Alpha and Omega = YHWH
    first and last = Yeshua (Col_1:15; Rom_8:29), among others.

    Yeshua was the master workman, YHWH was the architect.

    We cannot recollect a Scripture indicating that Yeshua ever breathed life into anyone.

    The Logos emptied Himself at YHWH’s bidding.

    1 John in its entirety.

    David obtained all the items for the Temple, yet Solomon built the Temple.

    I will give G1325 . Rev_2:17; Rev_7:17; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Num_21:16, Psa_81:10; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_41:17; Isa_43:20; Isa_55:1-3, Joh_3:34; Joh_4:10; Joh_4:13; Joh_4:14; Joh_5:26; Joh_7:37-38, 1Co_15:45, Jas_1:5; Jas_1:17.
    that is athirst G1372 G1373. Rev_7:16; Rev_22:17, Pro_25:25, Isa_44:3, Joh_7:37, 1Pe_2:2.
    the fountain G4077 G4078 . Rev_7:17; Rev_8:10; Rev_14:7; Rev_16:4; Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Psa_16:11; Psa_36:8; Psa_36:9; Psa_87:7, Pro_14:27, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Joe_3:18.
    water G5204 G5205 of life G2222 G2198 . Rev_22:1; Rev_22:17, Deu_30:20, Psa_23:2; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_55:1, Zec_14:8, Joh_4:10; Joh_4:14, 1Ti_6:13.
    freely G1432 G1431 G1435. Gr. dōrean (S# G1432, Joh_15:25), gratuitously, without a cause. Rev_22:17, Isa_55:1, Hos_14:4, Mat_10:8 . Joh_4:10; Joh_15:25, Act_8:20, Rom_3:24; Rom_8:32, 1Co_2:12; 1Co_3:5; 1Co_3:12; 1Co_3:21, 1Jn_5:4-5.

    Water G5204 G5205 of life G2222 G2198 . may be recalling Yeshua’s references to living water in Joh_4:14; Joh_7:38, in connection with eternal life and life in the Holy Spirit.
    This water is further described in Rev_22:1.
    A similar offer of YHWH’s grace to him who spiritually thirsts is repeated in Rev_22:17.

    Revelation 21:7

    overcometh G3528 G3529. Gr. nikaō (S# G3528, Luk_11:22). Rev_2:7; Rev_2:11; Rev_2:13; Rev_2:17; Rev_2:25; Rev_2:26-28; Rev_3:5, Rev_3:12, Rev_3:21, Rev_15:2.
    Greek, “To him that gains the victory, or is a conqueror” – τῷ νικῶντι tō nikōnti.
    This may refer to any victory of a moral character, and the expression used would be applicable to one who should triumph in any of these respects:
    (a) Over his own sins;
    (b) Over the world and its temptations;
    (c) Over prevalent error;
    (d) Over the ills and trials of life, so as, in all these respects, to show that our spiritual principles are firm and unshaken.
    Life, and spiritual life especially, may be regarded as a warfare (2Co_10:3-6).
    Thousands fall in the conflict with evil; but they who maintain a steady warfare, and who achieve a victory, shall be received as conquerors in the end.
    shall inherit G2816 G2818 G2819. Gr. klēronomeō (S# G2816, Gal_4:30). Deu_32:8; Deu_32:9, 1Sa_2:8, Psa_37:29; Psa_73:26, Pro_3:35; Pro_8:21, Isa_60:21; Isa_65:9, Mat_5:5; Mat_19:29; Mat_25:34, Mar_10:17, Luk_22:29; Luk_22:30, Rom_8:17; Rom_8:37, 1Co_3:21-23; 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10; 1Co_15:50, Gal_3:26-29; Gal_4:7; Gal_4:30; Gal_5:21, Eph_1:11. Tit_3:7, Heb_1:14; Heb_6:12; Heb_12:17, 1Pe_1:3-4; 1Pe_3:9.
    all G3956 things (supplied). Isa_64:4, Mat_6:33; Mat_24:47; Mat_25:21, Mar_10:29; Mar_10:30, Luk_6:23, Rom_8:32, 1Co_2:9; 1Co_3:21-23, 2Co_6:10; 2Co_8:9, Eph_1:22, Jas_2:5.
    and G2532 I. Rev_21:3, Rev_3:9; Rev_3:19; Rev_20:9, Zec_8:8, Rom_8:15-17, Heb_8:10, 1Jn_3:1-3.
    will be G2071 G1510. 2Sa_7:14, Psa_89:26.
    his G848 G1438 God G2316. Rev_21:3, Gen_17:7, Exo_6:7, Lev_26:12, Job_19:26, Psa_45:6, Isa_25:9; Isa_52:7, Jer_31:33; Jer_32:38, Eze_14:11; Eze_36:28; Eze_37:23, Zec_13:9, Joh_1:1; Joh_20:17; Joh_20:28, Rom_9:5, 2Co_5:19; 2Co_6:16, Eph_1:5, Col_2:8; Col_2:9, 1Ti_3:16, Tit_2:13, Heb_1:8, 2Pe_1:1, Jud_1:4.
    my son G5207. 2Sa_7:14, Psa_89:26; Psa_89:27, Jer_3:19, Mat_5:9, Joh_1:12, Rom_8:14; Rom_8:17, 2Co_6:18, Gal_3:26; +*Gal_4:6; Gal_4:7,1Jn_3:1; 1Jn_3:2.

    “Sonship” as a concept that seems to embrace more than a relationship based upon a shared nature.
    It appears to be a special honor associated with the Davidic covenant, including privileged intimacy and ruling authority (2Sa_7:14).
    Adoption as a son is all about YHWH’s agape love for His creation and Yeshua’s agape lo G410ve for and obedience to His Father (Gal_4:5).
    Redeem G1805 G1537 G59 G58, defined by many as “to buy from the slave market,” is a term used only by Paul in the NT (Gal_3:13; Eph_5:16; Col_4:5).
    The verb seems to describe Christ’s supreme and final payment for the sins of humanity (Rom_3:23-25).
    This payment, His death on the Cross, or torture stake if you prefer, frees those who believe on Him from the curse of the law and slavery to sin. (Gal_4:1-3)
    This decisive ransom payment and resulting freedom clears the way for all to become YHWH’s sons.
    Although there is only one natural Son in YHWH’s family, Yeshua Messiah (vv. Gal_4:4, Gal_4:6), YHWH has graciously adopted all believers as His sons.
    We are no longer slaves to sin, nor children under the guardianship of the law.
    However, not all sons fulfill the requirements of such an exalted status (Mat_5:9, Mat_5:43-45).
    A person can be a son and not necessarily behave as a son.
    A true son reflects a life of obedience to YHWH’s Word (Jer_7:23; Jer_11:4), and NOT to man’s interpretation, no matter how well-meaning (Mat_15:2-9; Mar_7:1-13; Col_2:8; 1Pe_1:18-25).
    Paul points out that a willingness to yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit is characteristic of the sons of God (Rom_8:14).

    Revelation 21:8

    the fearful G1169. or, cowardly, or, apostates. Rev_21:7, Rev_22:15, Deu_20:8; Deu_31:6, Jos_23:6, Jdg_7:3; Jdg_7:10, 1Sa_15:24, Neh_6:13, Isa_51:12; Isa_57:11, Mat_8:26 Mat_10:28; Mat_25:25, Mar_4:40 Luk_9:26; Luk_12:4-9; Luk_19:21, Joh_9:22; Joh_12:42-43; Joh_14:27, 2Ti_1:7; 2Ti_4:16, Heb_6:4-8, 1Pe_3:14-15, 1Jn_5:4-5; 1Jn_5:10.
    unbelieving G571 G1 G4103. Act_26:8, Rev_1:5; Rev_2:10; Rev_2:13; Rev_3:14; Rev_17:14, Mat_11:20-24; Mat_17:17 Mar_16:16, Luk_8:13; Luk_12:46 Joh_3:36, Eph_2:12, Php_3:2, 2Th_2:12, 2Ti_2:13, Tit_1:15; Tit_1:16, Heb_10:39; Heb_11:6, 1Jn_5:10.
    abominable G948. (only here and Rom_2:22). Rev_21:27, Rev_17:4; Rev_18:3; Rev_22:15, Lev_11:10; Lev_18:22; Lev_18:26; Lev_18:27; Lev_18:29; Lev_18:30 Num_19:13, 1Ki_21:26, Psa_14:1, Pro_6:16-19; Pro_20:10, Eze_33:26, Hos_9:10 Mal_2:11; Mal_3:5, Mat_24:15, Rom_2:22 1Co_6:9; 1Co_6:10, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:5; Eph_5:6; Eph_5:12, 1Ti_1:9-10, Tit_1:16, Heb_10:26; Heb_12:24; Heb_13:4, 1Pe_4:3, 1Jn_3:8; 1Jn_3:15.
    murderers G5406 G5408. Rev_9:21; Rev_18:24; Rev_22:15, Exo_20:13, Mat_5:21; Mat_15:19; Mat_15:20, Mar_7:21, Act_28:4, Rom_1:29, 1Ti_1:9, Jas_2:22, 1Jn_3:15.
    whoremongers G4205 .(Also, 1Co_5:9). Rev_2:14; Rev_17:2; Rev_18:3, Gen_39:9, Exo_20:14, Pro_2:18; Pro_7:10, Jer_7:9; Jer_23:14, Rom_1:29-31, 1Co_5:1; 1Co_5:9-11; 1Co_6:9, 2Co_12:21, Gal_5:19-21, Eph_5:3; Eph_5:5, Col_3:5, 1Th_4:3, 1Ti_1:10, Heb_12:16; Heb_13:4.
    sorcerers G5332. or, poisoners. or, drug users (only here and Rev_22:15). Rev_9:21; Rev_13:13-14; Rev_18:23, Lev_19:31, Isa_47:9, Jer_27:9, Dan_2:27, Act_8:9-21; Act_16:16, Gal_5:20.
    and idolaters G1496 G1497 G1491 G1492. Rev_9:20; Rev_13:8; Rev_13:11-17; Rev_22:15, Exo_20:3-6, 1Sa_15:23, Eze_14:3; Eze_44:9, 1Co_5:10-11; 1Co_10:7; 1Co_10:14; 1Co_10:20-21, Eph_5:5.
    and all G3956 liars G5571 G5574. Rev_21:27, Rev_2:2 Rev_3:9; Rev_14:5; Rev_22:15, Gen_27:19, Exo_20:16, Lev_19:11, 2Ki_5:22, Psa_4:2; Psa_5:6; Psa_15:1; Psa_15:2; Psa_31:18; Psa_50:19, Pro_12:22; Pro_13:5; Pro_19:5; Pro_19:9; Pro_24:28, Isa_9:15; Isa_30:9, Jer_23:14; Jer_50:36, Zep_3:13, Zec_8:16, Mal_1:14, Mat_26:70, Joh_8:44, Act_5:3-4; Act_6:13 Rom_1:25, Eph_4:25; Eph_4:29, Col_3:9, 2Th_2:9, 1Ti_1:10; 1Ti_4:1-2, 1Jn_2:22.
    shall have their G848 part G3313. Exo_34:7, Psa_9:17; Psa_52:5, Pro_5:11, Isa_1:28, Zec_5:3, Mat_5:22; Mat_5:29-30; Mat_25:30; Mat_25:46 Luk_13:28, Joh_15:6, Rom_3:10, Php_3:19.
    the lake G3041 G3040. Rev_19:20; Rev_20:6; Rev_20:14-15.
    burneth G2545 . Gen_19:24, Isa_30:33, Eze_38:22.
    with fire G4442. Rev_14:10, Gen_19:28, Lev_13:57, Psa_120:4; Psa_140:10, Eze_24:9, Mat_13:42; Mat_18:8, Mar_9:44, Luk_16:23; Luk_16:24, 2Th_1:8-9, Jas_5:3.
    and brimstone G2303. Rev_9:17; Rev_14:10; Rev_19:20; Rev_20:10, Job_18:15, Isa_34:9, Eze_47:11.
    which is the second G1208 death G2288 G2348 . Rev_2:11; Rev_20:6; Rev_20:14, Rev_20:14, Gen_2:17 Mar_9:44; Mar_9:46; Mar_9:48, Rom_6:23, 2Th_1:9.

    Having stated previously, in general terms, who they were who would be admitted into that blessed world, John now states explicitly who would not.
    But the fearful G1169 – The “fearful” stand in contrast with those who “overcome,” Rev_21:7.
    And unbelieving G571 G1 G4103 – By circumstance, or by choice. Mar_16:16.
    And the abominable G948. –
    THAYER –
    1) to render foul, to cause to be abhorred;
    2) abominable
    3) to turn one’s self away from on account of the stench
    4) metaphorically to abhor, detest
    Perhaps, on account of their sins; all whose conduct is offensive to YHWH? Rom_1:18-32
    And murderers G5406 G5408 – Rom_1:29; Gal_5:21.
    And whoremongers G4205 – Gal_5:19.
    And sorcerers G5332 – In Gal_5:20, Paul seems to say that what was known as sorcery or witchcraft was a proof of the corrupt nature of man, and was one of the fruits of it, equally as abominable to YHWH as the others listed in Gal_5:19-21.
    Sorcery was a system of imposture and falsehood throughout; and nothing is a better demonstration of the depravity of the human heart than its extended and systematized attempt to impose on mankind, even down through today.
    The word which is used here (φαρμακεία pharmakeia, the origin of our word “pharmacy,” from φάρμακον pharmakon, a medicine, poison, magic potion) means, properly, the preparing and giving of medicine.
    It also means also poisoning, and also magic art, or enchantment; because in some cultures pharmacy or medicine consisted of magical incantations in addition to the drugs .
    Therefore it can mean sorcery or enchantment
    The term is used only in Gal_5:20; Rev_9:21; Rev_18:23; Rev_21:8.
    It may also means poisoning, a crime often practiced in those days, particularly by or against the person in political power; but it can also refer to pretensions to witchcraft, sorcery, the casting of bones and passing of incantations, etc.
    And idolaters G1496 G1497 G1491 G1492 – Idolatry can be defined as a form of selfishness: the idolizing of money or fame or influence or child or self or some other creature (animate or inanimate), exalted to, and receiving the honor due to the YHWH. 1Co_6:9; Gal_5:19.
    And all liars – All who are false in their statements, their promises, their contracts. The word would embrace all who are false toward God Act_5:1-3, and false toward human beings. Rom_1:31.
    Shall have their part in the lake which burneth,
    If death was no more in Rev_21:4, what is this “second death?
    It seems that for everyone who lives in New Jerusalem, in Christ, “death will be no more” (Rev_21:4). This is the “death” of the “former things G4413 “.
    It also seems that this will not be the experience of all human beings, for those who rejected YHWH’s gracious gift of salvation will go to a very different place, “the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death” (Rev_21:8).
    This seems to be a different “death” than in Rev_21:4.

    We will begin our study with Revelation 21:9.

  5. Bro Dave says:


    Tonight we studied:

    The New Jerusalem (Overview)
    The new G2537 (renewed; freshened) city’s prototype was also loved and praised in the Old Testament (Psa_48:1-14) and whose future glory was the hope of the prophets ( I commend to your careful study Ezekiel, Chapters 40–48).

    Since the beginning of this passage is similar to the beginning of Revelation Chapter 17, it seems that the Lamb’s wife, the New G2537 Jerusalem, is being contrasted with Babylon, “the great harlot” (Rev_17:1, Rev_17:5).

    Come G1204. Rev_22:17.
    Shows John the City, not the individuals making up the Bride.

    spirit G4151 G4154. Mat_3:16. Eze_37:1. Rev_1:10, Eph_1:17.
    the exalted state in which John received these visions of Revelation (Rev_1:10), which carried him away (Rev_17:3).

    and shewed G1166. This is metonymy (meh-TAHN-ah-me – where one word is put for another; a change of names which have some relation to each other; as when we say, “a man keeps a good table.” instead of good provisions.): the angel offers to show John the bride, but what John sees is the city where the bride will live. Deu_34:1.
    that great G3173 city G4172 .
    Note: The interchange of emblems from “the bride, the Lamb’s wife,” to “that great city, the holy Jerusalem,” seems to indicate, that we should only take in the general ideas of them, and not enter minutely into particulars; and that our detailed view of such subjects must be like a collage acquired from the whole of them compared together.
    Rev_21:2. Rev_3:12, Gen_4:17; Gen_11:4, 1Ki_11:36, Psa_46:4; Psa_48:1; Psa_87:3, Isa_27:10; Isa_27:11; Isa_49:16, Eze_40:1-49, Eze_48:15-22, Dan_4:29-30.

    descending G2597 G2596 out of G1537
    heaven G3772.
    Rev_21:2, Rev_10:1, Hos_2:21, +*Joh_14:2, Php_3:20.
    from G575 God G2316.
    The description of the vision in Rev_21:9-10 parallels almost exactly that in Rev_17:1-3. It appears that the contrast between Babylon the harlot and new Jerusalem the bride is explicit and intentional.
    A mountain reaching to heaven to provide visibility was used in Mat_4:8; Jerusalem was also regarded as atop a mountain (often in the Hebrew Testament e.g., Joe_2:1);
    the image here seems to be from Eze_40:2.

    jasper G2393 [H3471]. Rev_21:18-19, Rev_4:3, Exo_28:20, 1Jn_3:2.
    clear as crystal G2929 G2930. Rev_21:18; Rev_21:21, Rev_4:6; Rev_22:1, Exo_24:10, Job_28:17, Son_4:7; Son_6:10, Eze_1:22, Eph_5:27.

    The New Jerusalem, because it radiates YHWH’s glory, is bright and beautiful like a precious jewel that shines brilliantly.
    Perhaps the word jasper G2393 [H3471] describes a quartz with shades of green, blue, and red; what we refer to today as jasper is not clear.

    Jasper is the last stone mentioned in the Bible in the High Priest’s breastplate (Exo_28:20).
    It comes from the Hebrew word yashpheh (Strong’s #H3471).
    It is also the name of the sixth stone that adorned Lucifer (Eze_28:13).
    The root of the word means to “polish” and both Strong’s and others translate the word as Jasper.

    In the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) it is translated “diamond”.

    Yashpheh is translated “jasper” in Exo_28:20 and Eze_28:13 in almost all of the Bible translations I examined.

    In the New Testament, the first foundation stone in the New Jerusalem (Rev_21:19) is called in the Greek iaspis (Strong’s #G2393).

    The book of Revelation records several visions given to the apostle John, one of which includes this precious stone in relationship to YHWH’s appearance on His Throne. (Rev_4:1-3).

    Jaspers are considered an opaque variety of Chalcedony stones.

    The most common colors found in them are red, green, brown or yellow and they can appear flamed or striped.

    Many believe that the precious stone found in the priest’s breastplate was likely colored “emerald-green”.

    A 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica section on this gem states the following concerning the possible ancient color of this gemstone.
    “The jasper of antiquity was in many cases distinctly green, for it is often compared with the emerald and other green objects. Jasper is referred to in the Niebelungenlied as being clear and green.”

    The jasper stone is mentioned in Rev_4:3 as one of the jewels that describe YHWH’s appearance.

    John is explaining what he sees in terms that others not blessed with his vision can understand, using the most relevant images he can think of.

    Comparing the shining beauty of this new city to gemstones seems to be his way to describe the indescribable.

    The way humans view time is made no longer necessary (Rev_21:23).

    Why no Temple building (Rev_21:9-27)?
    YHWH and Christ Head and Body are the Temple, with 12 Apostles as foundations.
    No need for a place like the tabernacle or temple building, since YHWH us actually with mankind. Heb_11:13

    New Jerusalem is a very impressive, precious city. People can see straight through it to the glory of YHWH.

    Dimensions – City and Bride class are both 144,000.
    Rev_21:16 = as tall as it is long and wide.
    Would city have buildings that incredibly tall?
    Probably refers to elevation including high mountain (Jerusalem is on a mountain).
    Rev_21:10 = carried away to great and high mountain.
    Was this height of building or height of building plus elevation of mountain?
    Possibly reconstructed earth can sustain building and city with incredible height – so matter where you look, you see the city all around and all above.
    Will New Jerusalem be elevated above everything on earth?
    Rev_21:23-24 – providing light for the nations.
    Still two luminaries – YHWH and Christ.

    It appears that the glory of YHWH that fills the New Jerusalem is the dazzling light that emanates from His Being.
    Moses experienced YHWH’s glory as “a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (Exo_3:2).
    This glory was manifested as the shekinah cloud (OJB) that filled the tabernacle (Exo_40:34-35).
    When Solomon concluded his prayer at the dedication of the temple, fire descended from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices. The glory of the Lord filled the temple in such brilliance that the priests could not enter the temple because of it (2Ch_7:1-2)

    No matter where you are on earth, the sun and moon is visible.
    New Jerusalem will be the same way, but not as far away and sun and moon.
    Some believe the height is 1500 miles (Rev_21:16-17).
    All this is IMMENSE, but not for YHWH.
    Referring to “furlongs (1/8 mile)” or “stadia” = 1500 miles. (Chicago to San Diego = 1723 miles.)
    Referring to “the measure of a man” may indicate that this is an physical building in a physical city.

    Rev_21:25-27 – Redeemed, justified mankind will have free access.

    We will begin our study with Revelation 21:9.

  6. bereanbible says:

    Br. Dave, another thought I had on the City being shown to John and not the Bride herself is to let Christians search for it in other scripture. It seems faith and digging is what we have to do as God knew there would be some discrepancy on who the Bride was, 144,000, or as some say the entire Church of believers.
    I do think the clue is in the numbers. Just my opinion, but got to wait to see.
    I enjoyed Br. David’s presence tonight.

  7. Bro Dave says:

    Excellent point.
    Would you care to expand on the clue that the numbers gives us?

    • bereanbible says:

      Br Dave, I meant the building being 144,000 squared indicates the Bride might be the 144,000.
      The Church is said to be God’s Children, not the son’s bride.
      Normally a Hebrew father chooses a bride from among his family. I just don’t see the entire Church class being the Bride. Happy and holy are those invited to the wedding feast say the Bible and I think some of the Church will be invited to attend. Just thinking out loud.

      The Church is hidden in the Hevrew text it seems I might be wrong.

  8. Bro Dave says:


    We opened our study welcoming a Truth-seeker who is new to our Berean Fellowship and joyfully invested the first part of our meeting in fellowship.

    Then, we started our Scriptural study with:
    Revelation 22:1-5

    QUESTION: Do these first five verses of Rev 22 seem to actually belong at the end of Rev 21?
    Originally no chapter/verse in the text.
    The thoughts here seem to fit with chapter 21.

    he shewed me. Rev_22:16, Rev_1:1; Rev_4:1; Rev_21:9-10, Exo_25:40; Exo_26:30; Exo_27:8, 2Ki_8:10, Isa_64:4, Joh_16:13.
    a pure G2513. Rev_22:2, Gen_2:10-14, Num_20:8; Num_21:16, Job_20:17, Psa_23:2; Psa_36:8; Psa_46:4; Psa_65:9; Psa_78:15; Psa_87:7, Isa_12:3; Isa_30:25; Isa_32:2; Isa_35:6; Isa_41:18; Isa_48:18; Isa_55:1; Isa_66:12, Eze_47:1-9; Eze_47:12, Joe_3:18, Zec_14:8, Joh_7:38; Joh_7:39, 1Pe_1:4.
    river G4215 of – Rev_22:2, Rev_8:10; Rev_9:14; Rev_12:15-16; Rev_16:4; Rev_16:12, Gen_2:10, Eze_47:9, Zec_14:8.
    The rivers of paradise in Gen_2:10 and the waters of Jerusalem (Psa_46:4) may supply some of the background for the image here; but it may be that the reference here is to the rivers of water flowing from the New Jerusalem’s Temple in Eze_47:1-11 (Joe_3:18; Zec_14:8).
    In New Jerusalem, there is no temple, YHWH and Yeshua are the Temple. (Rev_21:22)
    It also could be referring to the Old Jerusalem Temple.
    Dome of the Rock is not exactly where Temple was located.
    Some evidence suggests that a pagan temple was there at one time.
    It could be referring to the boundaries of division.
    Josephus, in Antiquities 1.1.3, 38, claimed that the garden in Eden was watered by one earth-encircling river that divided into four parts: Ganges, Euphrates, Tigris and Nile.
    Later, Philo identified the river with virtue, flowing forth from Eden, which was wisdom—Allegorical Interpretation 1.19, 65.
    The water is BOTH symbolic AND physical and literal, just like many of Yeshua’s parables and Daniel’s (symbolic) beasts (then, we are given interpretations of what these symbols are literally).
    YHWH is so pin-point accurate, that in some cases the beast represents that entity even today, e,g,. leopard – was actual animal that appeared in that country’s banner long after Daniel’s prophecy.

    Also, John might be referencing the Spirit; in Joh_7:37-39.
    The apostles were operating under the Spirit that Yeshua had.
    water G5204 of life G2222 G2198. or, living water. Rev_22:17, Rev_7:17; Rev_21:6, Lev_14:5, Deu_30:20, Psa_30:5; Psa_36:8-9, Pro_10:11; Pro_13:14; Pro_14:27; Pro_16:22, Son_4:15, Jer_2:13; Jer_17:13, Luk_16:24; Luk_20:38, Joh_4:10; Joh_4:11, Joh_4:14; Joh_7:37-38; Joh_11:25; Joh_14:6; Joh_19:34, Act_1:5; Act_3:15, Rom_8:2, 1Co_15:45, Col_3:4, 1Ti_6:13, 2Ti_1:10, 1Jn_5:11.
    clear G2986 G2985 G2989. or, radiant. Rev_22:16, Luk_23:11, Act_10:30.
    as crystal G2930. Rev_21:11, Rev_4:6, Job_28:17.
    proceeding G1607 G1537 G4198. Rev_3:21; Rev_4:5; Rev_5:6; Rev_5:13; Rev_7:10-11; Rev_7:17; Rev_8:5; Rev_11:19, Eze_47:1, Zec_14:8, Joh_8:42; Joh_14:16-18; Joh_15:26; Joh_16:7-15, Act_1:4-5; Act_2:33, 2Co_9:8.
    out of G1537 Eze_47:1-11
    the throne G2362 Rev_3:21; Rev_4:2-3; Rev_21:3, Zec_6:13.
    of God G2316
    and of. Rev_22:3, Rev_3:21, Heb_1:3.
    the Lamb. Rev_5:6; Rev_5:13, Luk_22:69, Joh_1:4; Joh_1:29; Joh_3:34; Joh_5:18; Joh_5:26; Joh_13:32.
    In G1722 the midst G3319 G3326 (through the middle of) Rev_22:1, Rev_21:21, Eze_47:1; Eze_47:12; Eze_48:8.
    the street. G4113 G4116 G4111 Rev_21:21.
    On either side G1782 G2532 G1782 of Eze_47:7; Eze_47:12, Dan_12:5, Joh_19:18.
    the river G4215 Exo_17:6, Isa_33:21, Eze_47:1; Eze_47:7; Eze_47:12, Joe_3:18, Zec_14:8-9, Joh_4:13-14, 1Co_10:4.
    was there (grows) – SUPPLIED
    the – SUPPLIED
    tree G3586 of life G2222 Note: The definite article “the” not being in the original text, “a tree of life” may be a better translation; for there were other trees;
    one in the street, and
    others on each side of the river: Eze_47:12, which speaks of many trees bearing fruit each month (as opposed to one season a year) and leaves for healing.
    John seems to modify Ezekiel’s “trees” to incorporate an reference to paradise: from the “tree of life” in Gen_2:9.
    Later Jewish traditions further expounded the figure.
    (Some Jewish texts spoke of twelve trees, one for each month, in a four-river paradise, weaving together features of Ezekiel and Genesis in a manner similar to Revelation.
    Jewish texts frequently connected the twelve months with the twelve tribes and constellations, but John avoids astrological associations here, as elsewhere.)
    The use here seems to appear to designate the entire mass of trees in general. Rev_22:14; Rev_22:19, Rev_2:7, Gen_2:9; Gen_2:17; Gen_3:22-24, Pro_3:18; Pro_13:12, Son_2:3, Luk_23:31, Joh_3:16, Act_5:30; Act_10:39; Act_13:29, Gal_3:13, 1Pe_2:24.
    which bare G4160. or, bearing or bring forth. Mat_7:17.
    twelve G1427 Rev_12:1; Rev_21:14, Exo_15:27, Mat_19:28.
    manner (kinds) of – SUPPLIED
    fruits G2590. Deu_33:14, Son_2:3; Son_7:13. – no longer forbidden.
    and yielded G591 G575 G1325. or, yielding.
    every G2596 G1538 G1520 month G3376. or, according toIs this each month. Rev_21:22.
    QUESTION: Is this an declaration of YHWH’s ceaseless provision for mankind in every season?
    Agreed, providing mankind avails themselves of YHWH’s provisions.
    Like one of those grafted fruit trees with several different fruits.

    the leaves G5444 H5929. Gen_3:7, Mat_21:19.
    of the tree G3586. Psa_1:3.
    healing G2322 H7495. Mat_24:45, Psa_103:3; Rev_21:24, Gen_3:6; Gen_3:7, 2Ki_2:21, Psa_147:3, Pro_12:18, Isa_6:10; Isa_29:18-19; Isa_30:26; Isa_33:24; Isa_57:18-19, Jer_17:14; Jer_30:17, Eze_47:8-12, Hos_14:4, Mic_4:6-7, Mal_4:2, Mat_13:15; Mat_24:45 Luk_4:18; Luk_9:11 Luk_12:42. 1Pe_2:24.
    of the nations. G1484 G1486 H1471 Rev_5:9; Rev_21:24, Deu_32:8; Deu_32:9, Psa_72:5, Mat_25:32.
    QUESTION: Is this a figurative way of saying that Mankind will enjoy perpetual health forever and ever?
    Literal tree with literal leaves.
    Taking the leaves for medicine.

    We’ll begin our study and Rev_22:3.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Br. Dave, I have reviewed Ezekial 47 and the surrounding chapters and come to the conclusion this is the time period of the 1,000 yr reign of Christ, temple.
    So that is what I think this is the Temple that exists during the thousand-year reign of Christ.

  10. Bro Dave says:


    We continued our study, which began with:
    Revelation 22:1-5.

    Tonight, we found ourselves at Rev_22:3-5.

    Starting at Rev_22:5, we focused on:

    And there shall be no G3756 night G3571 there G1563, Rev_4:8; Rev_7:15; Rev_8:12; Rev_12:10; Rev_14:11; Rev_18:23, Rev_20:10, Rev_21:22-24; Rev_21:25, Psa_36:9; Psa_84:11, Pro_4:18; Pro_4:19, Isa_4:5; Isa_60:19-20, Zec_14:7.
    – ”perfect blessedness;

    The timeline appears to be AFTER the Millennium.
    YHWH is perfectly and completely light – where He is darkness cannot exist. (Rev_21:23).

    they need G2192 G5532 no G3756. 1Co_13:10.
    candle G3088. Rev_18:23, Psa_119:89; Psa_119:105.
    neither G2532 light G5457. Rev_21:23, Son_6:10, Isa_30:26; Isa_60:19.
    of the sun G2246 –
    Mat_5:45, Mat_13:6, Mat_13:43, Mat_17:2, Mat_24:29, Mar_1:32, Mar_4:6, Mar_13:24, Mar_16:2, Luk_4:40, Luk_21:25, Luk_23:45, Act_2:20, Act_13:11, Act_26:13, Act_27:20, 1Co_15:41, Eph_4:26, Jas_1:11, Rev_1:16, Rev_6:12, Rev_7:2, Rev_7:16, Rev_8:12, Rev_9:2, Rev_10:1, Rev_12:1, Rev_16:8, Rev_16:12, Rev_19:17, Rev_21:23, Rev_22:5
    KJV: sun=30x, east=2x Total= 32x.
    Revelation reveals Genesis and Genesis explains Revelation. Rev 22 parallels Gen 1-3.

    for the Lord G2962 God G2316. Gen_2:4; Gen_15:2.
    giveth them light G5461 G846. Rev_21:11; Rev_21:23-25, Exo_25:37, Psa_27:1; Psa_36:9; Psa_97:11, Pro_15:30, Isa_10:17, Mic_7:8, Hab_3:4, Mal_4:2, Mat_17:1; Mat_17:2, Luk_9:32, Act_9:3, Rom_5:2, 2Co_3:10, Col_1:12, 1Ti_6:16, Jas_1:17, 1Jn_1:5.
    The city’s light being YHWH’s glory rather than the sun or moon seems to be taken directly from Isa_60:19-20 (the image of Isa_24:23; Isa_30:26). Many Jewish teachers stressed that YHWH’s light would fill the world to come, sometimes including the righteous shining like the sun or stars (Exo_34:29; Dan_12:3);
    References can also be found in extra-Scriptural Jewish texts, such as, 1 Enoch; Ecclesiasticus; 4 Ezra.

    Afterwards, we examined the first phrase of Rev_22:3:
    “And there shall be G2071
    no more G3756 G3956 G2089 or, no longer. Isa_51:11, Zec_14:11.
    curse, G2652 (only occurrence here). G2596 Rev_22:19, Rev_6:15-17; Rev_12:7-9; Rev_14:11; Rev_20:10; Rev_21:4, Gen_3:10-19; Gen_4:12, Deu_27:15-26, 2Ki_2:21, Isa_4:2; Isa_7:21-22; Isa_25:6-9; Isa_30:23-24, Eze_34:25-28; Eze_38:23, Hos_2:18, Joe_2:22; Joe_3:18, Amo_9:13-15, Zec_14:11, Mal_4:6, Mat_25:41; Mat_26:74, Mar_14:71, Luk_20:36, Rom_8:21; Rom_8:22; Rom_9:3, 1Co_12:3 , 1Co_16:22, Gal_1:8; Gal_3:13, 2Ti_1:10.
    The removal of the curse is from Zec_14:11, and in this context it refers to the reversal of the curse in Eden, especially on the human race and creation (Gen_3:14-19).

    QUESTION: What caused the curse to be removed?
    Yeshua, His Ransom Sacrifice.

    Would the appearance of thorns and thistles (Gen_3:18) have occurred in Eden and made it less than perfect?
    When Adam partook of the fruit, Eden was, at that moment, despoiled.
    Comparing Rev_22:18-19
    with Gen_2:16-17
    and Gen_3:1-3,
    Did Eve “add on” to what YHWH had instructed Adam?
    Is this not “add unto these things”?
    The narrative story as reported is not the same as adding to inspired writings.
    Neither Eve nor Adam were actually doing the writing of the story, the Scripture is about them, showing the events leading to “The Fall”.

    What if Adam had not partaken of the fruit? Would either have died?

    Where was Adam when Eve was “deceived”?

    Looking at the events described in Gen_2:16-21, particularly in Gen_2:17 “in the day H3117”:
    Is this a 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) ?

    So WHY did Adam take a bite of the fruit, KNOWING the consequence directly from YHWH?
    Could it be that he had no experience with death to understand what death was all about (see the order of events in Rom_5:12)?
    Could it be that he was too proud?
    Could he have felt rebellious against YHWH? No more desire to obey?
    We know that Adam and Eve learned about death AFTER their disobedience: Gen_3:21

    As we are taught that YHWH had fellowship with Adam and Eve before their fall into sin (Gen_3:8), so YHWH will again be with His servants eternally. In turn, His servants, who now can present themselves to YHWH as “a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God” (KJV), will worshipfully serve Him (Rom_12:1).

    – or, perfect sinlessness.


    We will begin by continuing our study of Rev_22:3-5.
    We will re-visit “And there shall be no more curse”, and search to harmonize:
    in the day H3117
    A 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) relative to Gen_5:5.

    Afterwards, we’ll discuss:
    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we’ll study Rev_22:6-21.

  11. Bro Dave says:


    Scriptures pertaining to us tonight:

    Can we harmonize:
    in the day H3117
    A 24-hour day (Gen_1:4-5; Gen_1:14-16) or a 1000-year day (2Pe_3:8 ; Psa_90:4) relative to Gen_5:5.
    QUESTION: Gen_1:3-5
    How is “Day” defined?
    Today, we define a day as a 24-hour period.
    According to Webster: “The day may commence at any period of the revolution [of the earth].
    The Babylonians began the day at sun-rising;
    the Jews, at sun-setting;
    the Egyptians, at midnight, as do several nations in modern times, the British, French, Spanish, American, &c.”

    The Jewish day is of no fixed length.
    Based on the classic rabbinic interpretation of Gen_1:5 (“And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mar_16:2” – Orthodox Jewish Bible), a day H3117 in the rabbinic Hebrew calendar runs from sunset (the start of “the evening”) to the next sunset.

    Then, on the FOURTH Day,

    QUESTION: How was “Day” define BEFORE the fourth day?
    The Hebrew word for day H3117
    appears 2239 in KJV times and is translated as:
    day, 1270
    days, 669
    time, 58
    chronicles, 37
    daily, 32
    ever, 20
    long, 15
    days’, 13
    continually, 10
    full, 10
    when, 7
    while, 7
    year, 7
    age, 6
    day’s, 6
    yearly, 6
    times, 5
    alway, 4
    always, 4
    life, 4
    now, 4
    whole, 4
    required, 3
    season, 3
    space, 3
    years, 3
    evermore, 2
    live, 2
    old, 2
    perpetually, 2
    presently, 2
    afternoon, 1
    ago, 1
    at, 1
    birthday, 1
    continuance, 1
    elder, 1
    livest, 1
    liveth, 1
    midday, 1
    overlived, 1
    remaineth, 1
    require, 1
    then, 1
    trouble, 1
    weather, 1
    year’s, 1
    young, 1
    younger, 1

    and is translated in KJV to refer to a time period, with a beginning and an end but not necessarily that of a 24-hour day.

    QUESTION: What does this mean in reference to YHWH’s command in Gen_1:3 ?
    light: H216 H215
    Occurs 133 times in KJV and is translated as:
    light, 126
    bright, 1
    clear, 1
    day, 1
    lightning, 1
    lights, 1
    morning, 1
    sun, 1

    COMPARE with:
    In Gen_1:16 :
    light H3974
    Occurs in KJV 20 times and translated as:
    light, 15
    lights, 4
    bright, 1

    OTOH, Exo_20:8-12, EACH and EVERY reference to “day” is day(s) H3117 .
    Can we harmonize that these verses are prophetic to the post-Millennium where we will live long enough to “keep it holy”, a thousand year sabbath day?

    And, if that’s our reasoning, do we also reason that the 10 Commandments are all prophetic and do not apply to any of us in the Gospel Age?

    How do we tell the difference between a 24-hour day versus a 1000-year day when comparing these Scriptures to Genesis?
    Torah refers to RIGHT NOW, not the future.
    Joshua asked for the sun to stand still RIGHT NOW.
    Israel had sacrifices that had to be prepared for that literal 24-hour day.
    Historically, Israel has always taken this as seven literal days.
    Yeshua asked, “Are there not 12 hours in the day?” (Joh_11:9)
    Nobody questioned it.
    Some organizations believe each creation day is 7000 years for 7000 x 7000 = 49000 years.

    A POSSIBLE Conclusion:
    Exo_20:8-11 seems to clearly link the Sabbath Day with the seven-literal-day cycle established in Gen_1:1 – Gen_2:3.
    In context, no other interpretation, but a literal 24-hour Day H3117 makes sense.
    Notice the use of the word, “Remember;” (Exo_20:8) pointing us back to the very beginning (Gen_1:1 – Gen_2:3).
    It is our understanding that the same author who wrote Genesis also wrote Exodus, and the same Holy Spirit inspired both! (2Ti_3:16-17; 2Pe_1:20-21).
    It’s easy to draw a reasonable conclusion that Moses leaves no doubt that he received and related YHWH’s intention about how the word “yom” (day H3117) is to be interpreted in both occurrences.

    ANOTHER POSSIBLE Conclusion:
    What if day H3117 is a homonym (When words are spelled the same and sound the same but have different meanings)?
    We see how many different English words day H3117 is translated into.

    Homonyms are quite common in English.

    For example:

    Address – to speak to / location

    Air – oxygen / a lilting tune

    Arm – body part / division of a company

    Band – a musical group / a ring

    Bark – a tree’s out layer / the sound a dog makes

    Bat – an implement used to hit a ball / a nocturnal flying mammal

    Bright – very smart or intelligent / filled with light

    Circular – taking the form of a circle / a store advertisement

    Current – up to date / flow of water

    Die – to cease living / a cube marked with numbers one through six

    Express – something done fast / to show your thoughts by using words

    Fair – equitable / beautiful

    Jag – a sharp, jutted object / a crying spree

    Kind – type / caring

    Lie – to recline / to tell a falsehood

    Match – to pair like items / a stick for making a flame

    Mean – average / not nice

    Pole – a person from Poland / a piece of metal that holds a flag

    Pound – unit of weight / to beat

    Quarry – a site for mining stone / to extract or obtain slowly

    Ream – a pile of paper / to juice a citrus fruit

    Ring – a band on a finger / something circular in shape

    Right – correct / direction opposite of left

    Rock – a genre of music / a stone

    Rose – to have gotten up / a flower

    Spring – a season / coiled metal

    Stalk – a part of a plant / to follow or harass someone

    Tender – gentle / offer of money

    Tire – to grow fatigued / a part of a wheel

    Well – in good health / a source for water in the ground

    There are several examples of this in the Hebrew Scriptures (for example Job_9:30-31 in Hebrew).
    To read about this and see examples, check out the:
    Encyclopedia of Hebrew Language and Linguistics, Vol 3, P-Z

    With this information, it seems that another reasonable conclusion would be that day H3117 in Genesis might be a homonym for day H3117 in Exodus.

    My OWN Conclusion:
    It seems to me that there may be no definitive answer this side of the post-Millennium.
    In any event, this requires a LOT of prayer and study for Scriptural understanding along with a lot of prayer for a loss of personal bias and error to maybe find an answer that is Scriptural.

    Seems to indicate a literal 24-hour day.
    Some organizations claim that since the Bible does not mention the END of the sabbath day, the seventh day has not ended.


    We assume all creation days are equal length.
    Are they?
    Joshua’s day was longer than 24 hours.

    Some organizations believe each day of creation was 7000 years, so 7k x 7k – 49000 years.
    This was done to come into line with predictions of their end of the world date.

    Was this the first literal 24-hour day?
    YHWH is the Creator of order.
    It seems out of character that He would not create the same length days for each day in creation.
    OTOH, there is no problem with first three days being longer.

    YHWH gave us this information in a way that humankind can understand it (Isa_55:8-9).


    According to current Jewish calendar, at the time of this meeting, we have entered into the 7th day of the 7th month.

    A way of letting us know YHWH’s Word is faithful and will happen in spite of how overly long it may seem to humans. (Isa_55:8-9)
    Rabbinical writings (Psa_90:4) use 1000 years as well.
    Neither of these indicate that a “day” is exactly 1000 years.

    All of this points towards Yeshua and the Millennial ‘Day” and that things will take longer than we think they should, but we cannot pin YHWH down to a specific time constraint.

    And, how long that “Day” with Yeshua will be from mankind’s point.


    For information on how this affects “day-for-a-year”, listen to: “Study of Eschatology: 70 Weeks” on Bro Lee Anthony’s podcast at


    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we began our study of Rev_22:6-21.

  12. Bro Dave says:

    The URL that will take you directly to:
    Encyclopedia of Hebrew Language and Linguistics, Vol 3, P-Z,
    mentioned in the Study Notes is:

  13. Bro Dave says:



    Creative Day – YHWH could cause a day to be more than 24 hours.
    “day” in Genesis, compared to the “Sabbath” – the same Hebrew word is used for both.
    The Bible does not specify whether a Creative Day was longer than 24-hours.
    Many organizations try to harmonize each Creative Day with the time it took for evolution or their own time calculations.

    QUESTION: Where can we go to get Absolute Truth, and not “truth” contaminated by worldly organizations, individuals, or social (or political, religious, scientific, etc.) correctness?
    None of these Scriptures refer to obtaining Absolute Truth from any organization, group or individuals, no matter what their claims, but, rather, going directly to the Word of YHWH.

    The rest of our meeting was filled with glorious testimony and loving (agape) fellowship.




    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.
    After that, we began our study of Rev_22:6-21.

  14. Bro Dave says:


    Tonight we studied:
    1. The rest of Rev_22:3;
    2. Rev_22:4; and,
    3. The second half of Rev_22:5.

    CONTINUING in Rev_22:3:

    but the throne G2362 of God G2316
    Rev_1:4; Rev_7:15-17; Rev_21:3; Rev_21:22; Rev_21:23, Psa_16:11; Psa_17:15, Isa_12:6, Eze_43:7; Eze_48:35, Mat_25:21, Joh_14:3; Joh_17:24.
    KJV: throne 54, seat 7
    and of the Lamb G721 G704 Rev_22:1, Rev_3:21; Rev_11:15, Joh_5:18 Joh_13:32, Heb_1:3. Rev_5:6; Rev_7:10, Luk_1:33.
    KJV: Lamb i.e. Christ 28, lamb 2
    shall be G2071 G1510 in G1722 it G846,
    Eze_48:35, Zec_2:5.

    – perfect government;

    “and His servants G1401 G1210
    Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1; Rev_2:20; Rev_6:11; Rev_7:3; Rev_7:15; Rev_11:18; Rev_19:2; Rev_19:5, Joh_12:26; Joh_15:15.
    shall serve G3000 Him, Mat_4:10. Rev_22:11, Rev_1:6; Rev_5:10; Rev_7:15, Exo_21:6, Jos_9:22-27, Pro_22:29, Luk_1:74, Act_26:7, Rom_1:1; Rom_9:4, 1Co_7:22, Eph_4:13, Php_3:3, Heb_9:1; Heb_9:6.
    KJV: serve 16, worship 3, do the service 1, worshipper 1

    – perfect service;

    Giving our all in action and thought.
    This has been YHWH’s requirement for His people since He selected Israel.

    “They shall see G3700 Gen_33:10, Exo_33:18-20; Exo_33:23, 2Sa_14:24, Est_1:14, Job_33:26, Psa_4:6, Isa_33:17; Isa_35:2; Isa_40:5, Mat_5:8, Mar_9:2-5, Luk_9:32, Joh_12:26; Joh_14:9; Joh_17:24, 1Co_13:12, Eph_3:19, Heb_12:14, 1Jn_3:2; 1Jn_3:3., Rev_1:7, Exo_33:20; Exo_33:23, 2Sa_14:24, Job_19:27, Psa_17:15; Psa_36:9; Psa_42:2, Isa_6:2, Mat_5:8; Mat_18:10, Joh_1:18; Joh_14:8; Joh_14:23; Joh_17:22-24, Rom_5:2; Rom_8:29, 1Co_13:10; 1Co_13:12, 2Co_3:18; 2Co_4:6; 2Co_5:8, 1Th_4:17, 2Th_2:14, 1Ti_6:16, Heb_1:2-3
    His face G4383 G4314, Rev_7:15; Rev_21:3, Psa_16:11; Psa_119:135, Mat_17:2-4; Mat_18:10, Mar_9:2-5, Luk_9:32.
    KJV: face 55, person 7, presence 7, countenance 3, not translated 1, misc 5

    – perfect communion;

    Our current bodies prevent us from being able to see YHWH’s face and live.
    We have to be changed into the kind of bodies that are able to actually visualize YHWH.

    Why can mankind not be in the presence of YHWH?
    YHWH created the sun. Because of our human nature, we cannot abide the intense light (Joh_3:6, Joh_4:24).
    Also, because of human’s inherited sinful nature.
    Adam walked with YHWH but he was perfect at the time (Gen_3:8).
    But could Adam actually see YHWH’s face (Joh_1:18)?

    “and His name G3686 Rev_3:12; Rev_13:16; Rev_13:17; Rev_14:1; Rev_19:12, Exo_28:30, 2Ti_2:19.
    KJV: name 194, named 28, called 4, surname + G2007 2, named + G2564 1, not translated 1

    shall be – SUPPLIED

    in G1909 , or, upon
    their foreheads G3359 G3326, Rev_7:3; Rev_13:16, Exo_28:36-38.

    – perfect reflection and resemblance;

    YHWH’s once-hidden face (Exo_33:20) will now be fully disclosed to His people (Joh_1:14-18). For writing on the forehead, the point seems to be that it will be clear that YHWH’s people belong to Him alone.

    When we see YHWH’s face, we will not need any light other than His.
    A soothing light.

    All will have new bodies, bodies that can be present in the presence of YHWH.
    Is it possible that mankind will be clothed in some form of light, kin to the burning bush?

    There can be no darkness where YHWH is.

    “his name” – a mark, an identifier or seal, showing ownership.
    Not necessarily physical, in this case.
    May start spiritual and become physical.
    Opposite of the “mark of the beast”.
    Those who have this name, or mark, will be the ones who see His Face (Luk_24:30-31; Luk_24:35).
    Or was it just the method Yeshua used to actually break the bread?

    CONTINUING in Rev_22:5 :
    and they. Psa_149:9. (Psa_149:1-9)
    shall reign G936 G935 G939.
    The Millennial Kingdom is the reign of the Christ, Head and Body, over humankind and earth, each freed from the assaults of Satan, but remaining still, in measure, in sin and under the curse;

    OTOH, this appears to be during the New Jerusalem period [aka, “the Kingdom of the Perfect Restoration,”] is that of the reign over justified mankind and earth perfectly purified.

    It is an eternal Reign in contrast with the limited Millennial Reign of Rev_20:4; Rev_20:6.
    Rev_2:26; Rev_3:21; Rev_5:10; Rev_11:15; Rev_20:4; Rev_20:6, 1Sa_2:8, Dan_7:18; Dan_7:27, Mic_4:8, Mat_25:34; Mat_25:36, Luk_12:32, Joh_18:36-37, Rom_5:17, 2Ti_2:12, 1Pe_1:3-4.
    for ever and ever G1519 G165 G104.
    Mat_6:13, literally. unto the ages of the ages, Mat_25:46, 2Th_2:16. Gal_1:3-5, Rev_1:6; Rev_14:11; Rev_20:10, Gen_9:12, Dan_7:18; Dan_7:22; Dan_7:27, (for ever,H5705 H5957 even for everH5705 H5957 and ever.H5957 )

    – perfect glory.

    In the texts of the Apocrypha, we find that the righteous shining and also ruling in the future are combined in Wis_3:7-8. (Wisdom of Solomon)

    What does “for ever” mean?

    Unlimited future time
    Without an end, although having a beginning.
    Can also be defined by perspective: YHWH and Yeshua are without ending (Yeshua had a beginning). Whether as justified humans on a perfect earth or as part of the Bride class, the creation MAY have an ending sometime. Yet, as “for ever” applies, IF there is a finite end time for for ever, it will occur AFTER the creation’s end, thus making “for ever” eternal from the creation’s perspective.
    The literal translation “unto the ages of the ages” does not specify how many ages there may be. Only YHWH and Yeshua know that.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:6-21

  15. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:6-7

    As a group, these verses may be considered the Epilogue of the Book; and deal with practical exhortations, warnings, and blessings.
    Divine revelation and exhortation seem to go hand in hand.
    Again from the Apocrypha (not advocating the Apocrypha as an inspired writing, but as a matter of interest) , Tobit’s praise to YHWH (Tob_13:1-18 – KJVA) includes both a description of the final Jerusalem (Tob_13:9-18 – KJVA) and a call to repentance for Israel (Tob_13:6 – KJVA).

    (Tobit 13:1 KJVA) Then Tobit wrote a prayer of rejoicing, and said, Blessed be God that liveth for ever, and blessed be his kingdom.

    (Tobit 13:2 KJVA) For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell, and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand.

    (Tobit 13:3 KJVA) Confess him before the Gentiles, ye children of Israel: for he hath scattered us among them.

    (Tobit 13:4 KJVA) There declare his greatness, and extol him before all the living: for he is our Lord, and he is the God our Father for ever.

    (Tobit 13:5 KJVA) And he will scourge us for our iniquities, and will have mercy again, and will gather us out of all nations, among whom he hath scattered us.

    (Tobit 13:6 KJVA) If ye turn to him with your whole heart, and with your whole mind, and deal uprightly before him, then will he turn unto you, and will not hide his face from you. Therefore see what he will do with you, and confess him with your whole mouth, and praise the Lord of might, and extol the everlasting King. In the land of my captivity do I praise him, and declare his might and majesty to a sinful nation. O ye sinners, turn and do justice before him: who can tell if he will accept you, and have mercy on you?

    (Tobit 13:7 KJVA) I will extol my God, and my soul shall praise the King of heaven, and shall rejoice in his greatness.

    (Tobit 13:8 KJVA) Let all men speak, and let all praise him for his righteousness.

    (Tobit 13:9 KJVA) O Jerusalem, the holy city, he will scourge thee for thy children’s works, and will have mercy again on the sons of the righteous.

    (Tobit 13:10 KJVA) Give praise to the Lord, for he is good: and praise the everlasting King, that his tabernacle may be builded in thee again with joy, and let him make joyful there in thee those that are captives, and love in thee for ever those that are miserable.

    (Tobit 13:11 KJVA) Many nations shall come from far to the name of the Lord God with gifts in their hands, even gifts to the King of heaven; all generations shall praise thee with great joy.

    (Tobit 13:12 KJVA) Cursed are all they which hate thee, and blessed shall all be which love thee for ever.

    (Tobit 13:13 KJVA) Rejoice and be glad for the children of the just: for they shall be gathered together, and shall bless the Lord of the just.

    (Tobit 13:14 KJVA) O blessed are they which love thee, for they shall rejoice in thy peace: blessed are they which have been sorrowful for all thy scourges; for they shall rejoice for thee, when they have seen all thy glory, and shall be glad for ever.

    (Tobit 13:15 KJVA) Let my soul bless God the great King.

    (Tobit 13:16 KJVA) For Jerusalem shall be built up with sapphires and emeralds, and precious stone: thy walls and towers and battlements with pure gold.

    (Tobit 13:17 KJVA) And the streets of Jerusalem shall be paved with beryl and carbuncle and stones of Ophir.

    (Tobit 13:18 KJVA) And all her streets shall say, Alleluia; and they shall praise him, saying, Blessed be God, which hath extolled it for ever.

    But back to our study of accepted Scripture:

    John is in his later life.
    He’s been given these visions – in this case, the angel is appearing to him.
    It’s almost akin to Moses and the burning bush.

    he said G2036. Rev_22:1, Rev_1:6; Rev_21:9; Rev_21:15.
    These G3778. Rev_19:9; Rev_21:5.
    sayings G3056 (logos) G3004. Mar_9:32, Rev_21:5, Rom_3:2.
    faithful G4103 G3982 and true G228 G227 G1. Rev_3:14; Rev_19:11; Rev_21:5, Isa_11:5, 1Co_10:13, 1Ti_1:15.
    As we have discussed recently, “Faithful and true” may represent a testimony oath formula (Rev_3:14; Rev_22:18; Jer_42:5), verifying the absolute truth and reliability of the revelation.

    Lord G2962 God G2316 of G3588 . Rev_22:5, Num_16:22, 1Jn_5:20.
    the holy G40. Luk_1:17 Rev_1:4; Rev_19:10, Num_16:22 1Co_14:32, Heb_12:23.
    prophets G4396 G4253 G5346. Rev_22:9, Rev_10:7; Rev_11:10; Rev_16:6; Rev_18:20; Rev_18:24, Luk_1:70; Luk_16:16, Joh_5:39, Act_3:18; Act_3:21, Rom_1:2, 1Co_12:7; 1Co_12:8; 1Co_12:28, 1Pe_1:11; 1Pe_1:12, 2Pe_1:21; 2Pe_3:2.
    The same God, YHWH, who inspired the ancient prophets and whose message was Truth to them and remains Truth unchanged for eternity (Mal_3:6; Pro_24:21-22).
    NOTE: Many interlinear and literal translations report this phrase as “Lord G2962 God G2316 of the G3588 spirits G4151 G4154 of the G3588 prophets G4396 G4253 G5346 ”
    Does anybody else ver feel like, If life is not going to be this good anymore, then thank you for what there has been and let Your Will be done.
    We all have moments of despair.
    Turning it all over to YHWH, knowing His Faithfulness. (Tit_1:2; Heb_6:18; Luk_22:42-44)
    It is not in YHWH’s Nature to lie, we see evidence of that every day.

    sent G649 G575 G4724 . Rev_1:1, Dan_3:28; Dan_6:22, Mat_13:41, Act_12:11, 2Th_1:7.
    his angel G32 G71. Gen_22:15 Exo_3:2 Dan_3:25 Dan_3:28, Zec_12:8.
    to shew. Rev_1:1, 1Co_2:12.
    his servants G1401 G1210 H5650 . Rev_22:3, Rev_1:1, Php_1:1.
    the things which G3739 . Rev_22:16, Dan_2:28.
    must G1163 . Rev_22:7, Rev_1:3; Rev_4:1, Gen_41:32, 1Co_7:29, 2Pe_3:8-9.
    shortly G1722 G5034 . (“speedily” – Luk_18:8).
    This Greek word seems to be used in prophetic contexts to mean swiftness (Isa_5:19; Dan_9:21), imminence (Luk_18:8; Rom_16:20), swiftness or imminence (Eze_29:5), but not chronological nearness alone . Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1, Isa_13:22, Heb_10:37.
    be done G1096 . Gr. come to pass.

    I come G2064. The words used here are the words of the Redeemer, Christ, repeated by the angel; Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20; Rev_3:11;
    compare Rev_1:7 and Rev_22:16.
    Rev_22:10; Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:7; Rev_2:16; Rev_2:25; Rev_3:3; Rev_3:20, Rev_3:11, Rev_11:3; Rev_16:15, Isa_40:10, Dan_7:13, Mat_24:3; Mat_24:27; Mat_24:30; Mat_26:64, Mar_14:62, Joh_21:22, Act_1:11, Php_4:5, Heb_10:37.
    quickly G5035 G5036 H4116 H4120.
    Rev_22:12; Rev_22:20, Rev_2:5; Rev_2:16; *Rev_3:11; Rev_11:14; Rev_16:15, Isa_5:26 Isa_9:1 Isa_32:4 Isa_49:17 Isa_58:8 Jer_48:16 Jer_49:19 Nah_1:14 Zep_1:14 Mal_3:5 Mat_24:27, Luk_18:7-8, 2Pe_3:8.
    While this word may mean either “soon” or “suddenly”, I believe we all pray for “soon”.
    1Th_5:2; Mat_26:55; Luk_12:39 ; Joh_10:10 1Th_5:4 2Pe_3:10 Rev_3:3 Rev_16:15
    blessed G3107 H1288 . Deu_28:3. Rev_22:9; Rev_22:14, Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13; Rev_16:15; Rev_19:9; Rev_20:6.
    “Blessed” begins the sixth of the seven “beatitudes” in Revelation (others: Rev_22:14; Rev_1:3; Rev_14:13; Rev_16:15; Rev_19:9; Rev_20:6).
    keepeth G5083 . Mat_19:17. Rev_1:3; Rev_3:8, Isa_1:19, Mat_23:3, Joh_2:5; Joh_2:10; Joh_5:39; Joh_17:6, Act_17:11, 1Th_5:20, 2Ti_3:16; 2Ti_3:17, Jas_1:22, 1Pe_1:4, 1Jn_2:5.
    sayings G3056
    KJV – word, 173; words, 48; saying, 33; sayings, 16; account, 8; speech, 8; matter, 4; utterance, 4; things, 3; communication, 2; reason, 2; thing, 2; work, 2; cause, 1; communications, 1; concerning, 1; do, 1; doctrine, 1; fame, 1; intent, 1; mouth, 1; move, 1; preaching, 1; question, 1; reckoneth, 1; rumor, 1; say, 1; show, 1; speaker, 1; talk, 1; tidings, 1; treatise, 1; word’s, 1
    the prophecy G4394 G4396 G4253 G5346 . Rev_22:10; Rev_22:18-19, Rev_1:3.
    this book G975 G976  . Rev_22:20, Luk_4:17, Act_1:20.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:8-21

  16. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:8

    And I G1473 . Rev_19:10.
    John G2491 H3310 . Rev_1:1; Rev_1:4; Rev_1:9, Mat_10:2.
    saw G991. Luk_1:1-4, Joh_19:35, 2Pe_1:16, 1Jn_1:1-3; 1Jn_4:14.
    these things G5023 . Joh_21:24.
    and heard G191 . 1Jn_1:1.
    them – SUPPLIED
    And when G3753 G3739 G5037 . Act_12:11, 2Co_12:2.
    I fell down G4098 . In Rev_19:9-10 John was in danger of mis-identifying another entity as Yeshua; here he is about to make the similar mistake. Rev_1:17, Rev_19:10; Rev_19:19, Jos_5:14, Psa_95:6, Dan_2:46; Dan_8:17, Mat_4:9, Mar_5:22; Mar_7:25, Luk_5:8, Joh_11:32, Act_10:25-26.
    It’ds important to make sure we get the right entity in the right place.
    worship G4352 G4314 G2965 . Mat_2:2; Rev_4:10, Psa_95:6, Mat_2:11; Mat_4:8-10; Mat_8:2, Luk_4:7, Act_10:25, Col_1:9; Col_1:10; Col_1:12; Col_2:18.
    before G1715 the feet G4228 . Mar_7:25, Joh_11:32, Act_10:25.
    the angel G32 . Rev_7:11, Gen_24:40, Psa_103:21, Zec_1:9, 2Th_1:7.
    which shewed me G1166. Rev_22:1; Rev_22:6, Rev_1:1; Rev_4:1; Rev_17:1; Rev_21:9-10.

    John was simply overwhelmed.
    John confirms that he was the one who saw and heard these things.
    When Yeshua was asked, “teach us to pray”, He said “OUR Father” – not praying to Yeshua.

    See G3708 . 1Th_5:15, Heb_12:25.
    thou do it – SUPPLIED
    not G3361 . Rev_19:10, Exo_20:3; Exo_34:14, Deu_4:19, Mat_14:33; Mat_28:5; Mat_28:17, Luk_20:36; Luk_24:52, Joh_4:23-24; Joh_20:28, Act_10:25; Act_10:26; Act_14:11-18, Col_2:18-19, 1Jn_5:21.
    fellowservant G4889 G4862 G1401 G1210 . Rev_6:11; Rev_19:10, Psa_103:21, Mat_23:8, Act_10:26, Php_1:1.
    thyG4675 brethrenG80 – 346 times in Greek Text; always translated as “brethren”, “brother” or “brothers”
    theG3588 prophets,G4396 G4253 G5346 – 149 times in Greek Text; always translated as “prophets”, “prophet” or “prophet’s”
    In Rev_19:10, it is “of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus.” – KJV.
    Here the angel seems to say that, in the capacity in which he appeared to John, he belonged to the general rank of the prophets, and was no more entitled to worship than any of the prophets had been.
    Like the prophets, he had merely been assigned to disclose important truths in regard to the future; but as the prophets, even the most eminent of them, were not regarded as entitled to worship on account of the communications which they had made, he, the angel, was not either.
    And that, he had no claims to such homage, and that the praise which John offered him should be rendered to YHWH alone.
    So it seems that the take-home message is to be careful in our worship; not to allow our feelings to overcome us; and not to render that homage to a mere creature which is due to YHWH alone.
    QUESTION: Do we interpret this as a prohibition against the worship of the Virgin Mary, of the saints, and any other of creation and that no homage or worship should be rendered to a created being and that worship and homage is due to YHWH only?
    Yes – Scripture tell us not to worship any created thing. Only YHWH.

    QUESTION 2: So, is begetting the same as, or different from, creation?
    Should we pray to Yeshua in addition to YHWH?
    Exo_34:14, Deu_6:13; Deu_10:20, Mat_4:10, Rev_19:10; Rev_22:9. 1Sa_7:3, 2Ki_19:15, Psa_83:18, Isa_2:11.
    Yeshua quoted Scripture – the Word of YHWH. Many times, He started His comments with “It is written….”
    Also, Php_2:10; Isa_45:23; Rom_14:11

    QUESTION 3: So, if we are not supposed to worship Yeshua Himself, what’s all this “in Jesus’ Name” stuff about?
    Joh_15:7; Joh_15:16; Joh_16:23; Mat_7:7-8

    Our prayers cannot get thru to YHWH except thru Yeshua.

    Holy G40 Spirit G4151 (Ruach Hakodesh) (Joh_14:15-17; Eph_4:30)
    A he? it? her?
    Impossible for humans to wrap our minds around the Spirit’s essence.
    An invisible force that can affect us? Similar to gravity?
    That the sin against the Holy Spirit is called “blasphemy” implies a final and unalterable decision has been made.
    The sin that is unforgivable seems to be the knowing refusal when the Holy Spirit enters our hearts and minds and enlightens us to understand and accept the forgiveness Christ and His Ransom Sacrifice offers.
    Particularly in reference to the leaders of Israel, Jesus had offered them all the proof that could be expected—the ministry of John, the testimony of the Father, the prophecies of the OT, His own testimony, and the substantiation by the Holy Spirit.
    They rejected all proofs regarding Yeshua as Messiah.
    Nothing else was to be given.
    Mat_23:38; Luk_13:35; Amo_7:9 

    Paul seemed afraid that Satan would deceive the Corinthians, causing their minds to be corrupted or turned away from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    The Greek word translated simplicity is used in 2 Corinthians of sincerity (2Co_1:12) and generosity (2Co_8:2, 2Co_8:9).
    The Corinthians had a sincere singleness of heart toward Christ, which expressed itself in generosity.
    If Satan could get them to believe something not true, he would destroy their genuine attitude toward YHWH.
    As we see with organizations today, one practical effect would be add layers of complexity to the simple Truth of Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice and, through adulterating His Truth, add confusion, followed by error, thus negating His Truth with the traditions of men (through Satan). Col_2:8 
    We should never underestimate the strategies of the great deceiver.
    The best antidote to his influence is to focus on Christ, the light that exposes the darkness, without adding or removing even a jot or tittle. (Mat_5:18
    Rev_22:18-19; Deu_4:2; Pro_30:5-6)


    which keep G5083. Rev_22:7, Pro_7:1.
    The angel appears to be saying that, like humankind, angels are bound to observe YHWH’s Law.
    To carefully observe – discussing keeping prophecy.
    In order to keep them, one must understand it – hard to to keep what one does not understand what he’s supposed to keep.
    The “sayings of this book” which he says he kept, seems to mean YHWH’s rules and requirements, and that they are of equal obligation on humankind and angels alike.

    There are 2 kinds of people:
    The blessed who keep the sayings and those who do not and are not blessed.
    There are also those who are set apart and sealed.

    worship G4352 G4314 God G2316 . Exo_34:14; Rev_4:10; Rev_9:20; Rev_14:7; Rev_15:4, Deu_26:10, Jos_5:14, 2Ki_17:36, Psa_45:11; Psa_96:9, Mat_4:9; Mat_4:10; Mat_8:2, Luk_4:7-8, Joh_4:22; Joh_4:23; Joh_5:23, Php_2:10, Heb_1:6.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:10

  17. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:10

    he saith G3004 . Rev_22:12-13; Rev_22:16; Rev_22:20, Rev_19:9.
    Seal G4972 G4973 not. Mat_27:66.
    This book is to be left open for all to read (Rev_1:3; Rev_13:18; Rev_17:9; Rev_22:7; Rev_22:18) Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_5:1; Rev_5:5; Rev_5:9; Rev_10:2; Rev_10:4, Deu_29:29, Isa_8:16; Isa_30:8, Eze_3:27, Dan_8:26;
    Dan_12:4; Dan_12:8; Dan_12:9, Mat_10:27; Mat_13:11; Mat_24:15; Mat_27:66, Joh_3:33, 2Ti_2:7.
    In Rev_10:4 John was commanded to seal up G4972 G4973 (that is, to keep secret) the utterances of the seven thunders, just as Daniel had been instructed to do (Dan_12:4, Dan_12:9; Dan_12:7) (the idea in their being commanded to seal them seems to be, that they should make a record – certain and unchangeable; that they should finish it, and lay it up for future ages; so that, in far-distant times, the events might be compared with the prophecy, and it might be seen that there was an exact correspondence between the prophecy and the fulfillment. (Jer_23:20; Jer_30:24)).
    Also, to keep these Words from the Adversary – to prevent him from misrepresenting these things.
    It is not unreasonable that the reason John is now told not to seal the book is that the time of its fulfillment is potentially very near.
    Also, Mar_4:10-12, the people of YHWH, following Yeshua, they will understand, by Holy Spirit and without being told, whereas the people without would not understand.
    KJV: seal 22, set to (one’s) seal 1, stop 1, seal up 1, set a seal 1, vr seal 1
    of this book G975 G976 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:18, Rev_1:3; Rev_1:11; Rev_1:19; Rev_13:18; Rev_17:9.
    for the time G2540 . 2Ti_3:1,
    season; the word implies a particular time; as related to some event, a convenient, appropriate time; absolutely, a particular point of time, or a particular season, like spring or winter
    Mat_12:1 Rev_1:3, Isa_13:6, Eze_12:23, Dan_12:4, Mat_12:1, Rom_13:12, 2Th_2:3, 1Pe_4:7.
    at hand G1451 . Mat_24:32
    Historically, Isaiah predicted the overthrow of Babylon (Isa_13:6 (Isa_13:1-22); Isa_44:27-28) 160 years before it happened, using the terms “soon” and “near”, showing that the terms eggus G1451 and tachus G5036 (swift, as in Jas_1:19) do not require temporal immediacy (the length of time between an act and the consequences resulting from that act), and aspects of the predictions remain to be fulfilled.
    The use of the term “at hand” designates immanency (impending, or soon) rather than immediacy (instant, or nearly so) in prophecies of “the day of the Lord is at hand” or near.
    That is, they are soon to commence. It is not implied that they would be soon completed.
    Rev_22:7, Rev_1:1; Rev_1:3, Isa_13:6; Isa_30:13, Eze_30:3, Joe_1:15; Joe_2:1; Joe_3:14, Oba_1:15, Zep_1:7; Zep_1:14, Mat_25:6; Mat_25:13; Mat_25:19, Mar_13:32-37, 1Co_7:29, Heb_11:13, 1Pe_1:10-12.

    Used to say that Revelation was a mystery, but the mystery is unraveling as we go through our time, for example, seeing Israel come back to the Promised Land.

    The righteous would stand, but the wicked would continue in their wickedness (Dan_12:10).
    John’s exhortation here resembles a balanced invitation: let those who choose to reject YHWH’s Word continue do so, but they will surely reap what they sow (Job_4:8  Eze_3:27; Jer_44:25; Amo_4:4-5; Ecc_11:9);
    as will those who strive to follow YHWH’s Word (Hos_10:12)

    He that is unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 . or, unrighteous [ASV, NWT]. or, injustice. Mat_20:13)
    In Revelation rendered
    (1) hurt: Rev_2:11; Rev_6:6; Rev_7:2-3; Rev_9:4; Rev_9:10; Rev_9:19; Rev_11:5,
    (2) unjust: Rev_22:11 (twice)]. Rev_16:8-11; Rev_16:21,
    Also, Psa_81:12, Pro_1:24-33; Pro_14:32, Ecc_11:3, Eze_3:27, Dan_12:10, Mat_15:14; Mat_21:19; Mat_25:10-13; Mat_25:46, Mar_3:29, Luk_16:26, Joh_8:21, Rom_8:13, 2Ti_3:13, Jas_1:21.
    KJV: hurt 10, do wrong 8, wrong 2, suffer wrong 2, be unjust 2, take wrong 1, injure 1, be an offender 1, vr hope
    let him be unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 still G2089 . Gen_13:6, Jdg_10:14, Psa_69:27; Psa_101:8, Ecc_1:15; Ecc_11:3, Isa_22:14; Isa_32:6, Eze_3:27; Eze_20:39, Dan_12:10, Mal_3:18; Mat_23:31-32; Mat_26:45, Joh_9:4; Joh_13:27, Act_24:25, 2Co_6:2, Heb_12:17.
    is filthy G4510 G4509 . or, morally defiled Num_19:13; Num_19:20, Psa_53:3; Psa_69:24-28, Eze_24:13; Eze_47:11, Jas_1:21; Jas_2:2, 1Pe_3:21.
    be filthy still. Psa_69:24-28, Eze_24:13; Eze_47:11, Hos_4:17, Zec_11:9, Mat_25:10, Mar_11:14, Luk_13:25, Act_16:26, 1Co_14:38, Gal_6:8, 1Th_2:16.
    and he that is righteous G1342 G1349 . Rev_22:3, Rev_7:13-15, Jos_24:15, 1Ki_18:21, Job_17:9, Psa_112:9, Pro_4:18; Pro_11:30; Pro_11:31, Isa_32:17, Eze_18:20, Mat_5:6, Eph_5:27, Col_1:22, Jud_1:24.
    be righteous G1344 G1342 G1349 . Some texts e.g., Rotherham) read “do (or work) righteousness” . Psa_119:44, Eze_33:15, 1Jn_2:29; 1Jn_3:7.
    is holy G40 . Rev_3:7, *Rom_12:1, Lev_11:44, *1Co_3:17, +**Heb_12:14.
    let him be holy G37 still. or, let him be made holy.
    The states of both the evil and the good are now fixed forever.
    There is no word here about a “another chance” hereafter . 1Co_6:11, 2Pe_1:4.

    unjust … filthy … righteous … holy:
    This verse, on the surface, seems to be a prediction that believers and unbelievers will live out their lives true to their nature until judgment (Rev_20:12-15; Mal_3:16)
    Hebrew word for “salvation” =
    yesh-oo’-aw (English = Jesus, Joshua)
    Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: – deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
    Total KJV occurrences: 78



    However, could this be an implied, indirect appeal to those who have chosen an unjust and filthy nature based on the continuing offer of the gospel in Rev_22:17 and Rev_14:6-7?
    The two witnesses issue a wakeup call to everybody.
    Do not rebel against YHWH, but obey.
    These were saved people (out of Egypt), yet they did not make it into the Promised Land.
    If we get into a life of sin and disobedience, we may not make it into the Promised Land.

    Still G2089, four times repeated, seems to imply a permanence of character, so that,
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still – seems to refer to a time beyond the judgment, and may be intended to affirm an important truth in regard to the condition of people in the future state.
    How can it refer to the condition of human beings on this side the grave, since there is no fixed and unchangeable condition in this world. (Rom_6:17, 1Co_6:9-11)
    In this Epilogue (Rev_22:6-21), John seems to have been directed to clearly and firmly point out that when these events are completed, everything would be fixed and unchanging; that all who were then found to be righteous would remain so forever; and that none who were unjust and filthy, would ever change their character or condition.
    This seems to harmonize with all that is said in the Bible of the final condition of the righteous and the wicked.
    Mat_25:46; Rom_2:6-9; 1Th_1:7-10; Dan_12:2; Ecc_11:3.

    QUESTION: Every assurance is held out in the Bible that the righteous will be secure in holiness and happiness, and that there will be no danger – no possibility – that they will fall into sin, and sink to woe; and by the same kind of arguments by which it is proved that their condition will be unchanging, is it demonstrated that the condition of the wicked will be unchanging also?
    It has to be taken in context.
    As Revelation climaxes, no matter what YHWH does, people are not going to change their characters – – not that they could not change, but they choose not to change.
    This gives YHWH justification for judging them.

    While there is an argument that an eternal punishment of the wicked is as strong as that for the eternal happiness of the righteous, the question has to be asked that is that is truly in harmony with YHWH’s Justice?

    The phrase “unjust G91 G94 G1 G1349 still G2089” here seems to indicate that the humans who choose that character will remain so forever, by their own choice.
    The design of this seems to be, to warn the ungodly and the wicked that there is no change beyond the Millennial Kingdom, and to plead with them now to avoid the wrath to come (Deu_5:29, Jas_4:7 ).

    And he which is filthy, let him be filthy G4510 G4509 still G2089 – The word “filthy” here is, of course, used with reference to moral defilement or pollution. And once again, still G2089 seems to imply a crystallization and permanence of character, so that, referring to the sensual, the corrupt, the profane; it implies that their condition will be fixed, and that they will remain in this state of pollution forever. What an unhappy thought that a polluted soul will be always polluted; that a heart corrupt will be always corrupt; that the defiled will be put forever beyond the possibility of being cleansed from sin.
    And he that is righteous, let him be righteous still – the state of your position, what YHWH makes you – The just, the upright man, the innocent man – opposite from the unjust mentioned in the first part of the verse.
    And he that is holy, let him be holy still – a state of character; what you are; can be transferred from YHWH to another. – He that is pure (without sin, blemish or spot), the opposite from the filthy mentioned in the former part of the verse.
    The righteous and the holy will be confirmed in their character and condition, as well as the wicked.
    innocency H2136

    The affirmation that their condition will be fixed is as strong as that that of the wicked will be – and no stronger; the entire representation is, that all beyond the Millennial Kingdom will be unchanging forever.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:12

  18. bereanbible says:

    This is a comment on this subject from a reader:

    a little something I composed: The way I see it is that the great JHVH, the Master of the Universe knows what he is doing. He put those numbers at the end of Daniel 12:9-12 for a reason and we will not have to wait till Daniel’s resurrection to understand it. He said that no wicked one will understand but only those who have insight will. Insight into what? Insight into Jehovah’s ways. Those ways are of no value to us unless we choose to make them our ways also. We have absolutely no spiritual growth until we bow in complete submission to him in full consecration. Then, and only then are our spiritual eyes opened to what is going on in this world right now. We then can “see” his presence is slowly tearing down this world. Every man born has a sense of justice, which Jehovah “hot-wired” into us. We know there has to be something more than this current groaning state of man. As Jacob said: “God is in this place and I did not know it” Gen 28:16 also see Matt 28:20 and Col.1:27 He always reveals himself to the obedient. LET YOUR KINGDOM COME 😍

    • Bro Dave says:

      THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your comments.
      And THANKS, too, for your Scripture references.
      I welcome any future insights you may wish to contribute.
      ALL Scripture-based opinions are more than welcomed by our Fellowship.
      I completely agree with your comments about the choice we make (of our own free will) and our submission (aka, obedience).

      (Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJV)  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

      (Mark 12:28 KJV)  And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
      (Mark 12:29 KJV)  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
      (Mark 12:30 KJV)  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
      (Mark 12:31 KJV)  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
      (Mark 12:32 KJV)  And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
      (Mark 12:33 KJV)  And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
      (Mark 12:34 KJV)  And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

  19. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study with:
    Revelation 22:12

    I come G2064 . Rev_22:7; Rev_22:16; Rev_22:17; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:7, Psa_96:13, Isa_40:10; Isa_48:12, Zep_1:14, Mat_9:1, 1Th_2:19, Jas_5:8.
    quickly G5035 G5036 . Rev_22:7 , Rev_22:10; Rev_22:20, Rev_1:3; Rev_3:11.
    my reward G3408 . or, pay for service; wages. “Reward” can be either good or bad. Rev_22:19, Rev_11:18; Rev_19:20, Psa_19:9; Psa_19:11, Isa_3:10-11; Isa_40:10; Isa_62:11, Jer_14:10, Mat_6:4; Mat_7:21-23; Mat_25:31-46, Luk_14:14, Joh_5:22; Joh_5:27, Act_10:42, Rom_14:10; Rom_14:12, 1Co_3:8; 1Co_3:12-15; 1Co_9:17-18, 2Co_5:10, Col_3:24, 2Ti_4:1, Heb_11:6, 2Pe_2:13.
    is with G3326 me G1700. Mat_25:10, Act_10:42, Rom_13:11.
    to give G591 . or, to recompense; to render. Rev_20:12, 1Ki_8:39, Jer_32:19, Mat_16:27, Luk_16:2, Act_4:33, Rom_2:6-11; Rom_14:12, 2Co_5:10.
    every man G1538 . or, each one. Gal_6:5.
    according as G5613 . Rev_2:23, 1Ki_8:39, Job_34:11, Psa_28:4; Psa_62:12, Pro_24:12, Jer_17:10; Jer_32:19, Eze_18:30; Eze_33:15; Eze_33:20, Mat_12:36; Mat_16:27, Rom_2:2; Rom_2:6; Rom_2:16, 2Co_5:10; 2Co_6:11, Eph_6:8, Gal_6:7.
    work G2041
    KJV: work 152, deed 22, doing 1, labour 1
    shall be G2071 . {Future tense of G1510}
    KJV: shall be 151, will be 9, be 6, shall have 6, shall come to pass 4, shall 4

    The Old Testament and Judaism stressed that YHWH was righteous and would reward his people (Gen_15:1; Psa_18:20; Psa_19:11; Isa_49:4).
    That YHWH would give each person according to his or her works.H4639 G2041 was also Old Testament teaching (Psa_62:12; Rev_20:12).
    The thought seems to be in harmony with reaping what we sow.

    A reward for His faithfulness.

    YHWH rewards us on this earth, as it pleases Him.

    Also, Gal_6:8-9
    We need to be kind to everyone, especially our brethren.

    YHWH’s commands are all for our own good, and the good of all humans – all out of agape love.
    Even in tribulation, it is all for our benefit, even if we do not realize it.

    The rewarding of each believer “accordingG4314 to thatG3739 he hath done,G4238 whetherG1535 it be [SUPPLIED] goodG18 orG1535 bad.G2556 ” (2Co_5:10), and, Mat_25:31-46, Mat_16:27, Rom_2:6. (Rom_1:18-32 – Rom_2:1-11)

    If Christ’s rewards (Rom_2:10-11) are meant to provide a powerful incentive for an obedient life, then, little wonder that the apostle Paul rigorously disciplined himself so that he would not be disqualified from the reward of reigning with Christ (1Co_9:24-27).
    We should not please our Father out of expectation of reward, but because we love YHWH and desire to please Him.

    The judgment seat of Christ can be a time of great regret, or it can be an occasion of supreme joy (2Co_5:9-11).
    2Co_5:9 This suggests that the believer should make it his aim to be well pleasing to the Lord. And, that while his salvation is not dependent on works, his reward in a coming day will be directly proportionate to his faithfulness to the Lord.
    This is about this relationship – this at-one-ment – with YHWH.
    We want to please Him; we want to be obedient to His Commandments.
    As we attempt to please Hime, we do not concern ourselves with either reward or punishment, just pleasing Him.

    Which is it?
    Yeshua had to obey, too.

    As Bereans, we should always remember that faith is linked with salvation,
    Gal_2:16; Gal_2:19, Gal_3:10-12; Gal_5:4, Job_9:2-3; Job_9:29; Job_25:4, Psa_130:3-4, Mat_4:4, Luk_10:25-29, Act_13:38; Act_13:39, Rom_3:19-20; Rom_3:27-28; Rom_4:2; Rom_4:13-15, Php_3:9; Gal_3:2; Gal_3:5; Gal_3:10, Rom_2:15, Heb_6:1; Heb_9:14, Tit_3:5.; Gal_3:13-14; Gal_3:22-24; Gal_4:5, Hab_2:4, Rom_1:17; Rom_3:21-26; Rom_3:28; Rom_3:30; Rom_4:5-6; Rom_4:24-25; Rom_5:1; Rom_5:2; Rom_5:8; Rom_5:9; Rom_8:3; Rom_8:30-34; Rom_9:30; Rom_10:10, 1Co_6:11, 2Co_5:19-21, Eph_3:12, Php_3:9, Heb_7:18-19.

    How do we harmonize these Scriptures with Jas_2:1-26? (Jas_2:17-18)
    Not the same as salvation.
    Salvation is from YHWH’s Grace (which is the Torah).
    Sin is being disobedient to YHWH.
    We no longer have to worry about sin due to Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice.

    When we have true faith, our works will show our faith.

    Our faith will be from our love, and our works will reflect this love and this faith.

    Faith is demonstrated by what we do (works).

    So, if faith is linked with salvation, then are works are linked with reward?
    Rev_2:23, 1Ki_8:39, Job_34:11, Psa_28:4; Psa_62:12, Pro_24:12, Jer_17:10; Jer_32:19, Eze_18:30; Eze_33:15; Eze_33:20, Mat_12:36; Mat_16:27, Rom_2:2; Rom_2:6; Rom_2:16, 2Co_5:10; 2Co_6:11, Eph_6:8, Gal_6:7.

    He is saved by YHWH’s grace through faith, not of works; but once he is saved, shouldn’t he should be ambitious to perform good works, and do these Scriptures not teach that for so doing he will receive reward?

    Notice that Paul wanted to be well pleasing to Him, whether present or absent.
    Does this suggest that Paul’s service on earth was designed to bring pleasure to the heart of his Lord, whether Paul was still here on earth or whether he was standing before the Judgment Seat of Christ?

    2Co_5:10 One motive for being well pleasing to Christ is that we must all appear G5319 G5318 G5316 before His judgment seat G968.
    Actually it is not just a matter of appearing there, but of being made manifest.

    APPEAR (Made MANIFEST) – G5319
    Thayer Definition:
    1) to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
    1a) make actual and visible, realized
    1b) to make known by teaching
    1c) to become manifest, be made known
    1d) of a person
    1d1) expose to view, make manifest, to show one’s self, appear
    1e) to become known, to be plainly recognized, thoroughly understood
    1e1) who and what one is
    Part of Speech: verb
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5318

    Vine’s definition of manifest: “to uncover, lay bare reveal.”
    Some literal translations interpret it as, “We must all have our lives laid open before the tribunal of Christ.”
    It is one thing to appear in a doctor’s office and quite another thing to be X-rayed in our “altogether”.

    This verse (2Co_5:10) seems to indicate that The judgment seat of Christ will reveal our lives of service for Christ EXACTLY as they have truly been. Not just the amount of our service, but also its quality, and even the very motives that prompted it will be brought into review.
    Although our sins after consecration will have an effect on our service, a believer’s sins, as such, do not appear to be brought into review for judgment at this time.
    That judgment took place over 2000 years ago, when the Messiah paid the Ransom Sacrifice on the tree.
    He fully paid the debt that our sins deserved, and YHWH will never bring those sins into judgment again (Joh_5:24).

    The judgment seat of Christ has to do with our service for YHWH.
    It does not appear to be a matter of whether we are saved or not; that is already an assured fact.
    But it is a matter of reward and loss at that time.

    A person doing evil right now is already saved by the free gift of the Ransom, but he can repent and convert and gain resurrection from the dead, and may get everlasting life, yet his works will not gain him wonderful rewards.

    Rev_22:13. and Rev_1:8

    I am. Neh_9:6, Zec_12:8; Zec_13:7.
    Alpha G1 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:11; Rev_21:6, Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12, Rom_11:36, Col_1:16.
    the beginning G746 G756 . Rev_21:6, Gen_1:1, Isa_65:17, Joh_1:1, Col_1:18.
    the end G5056 . Rev_1:8; Rev_1:17; Rev_3:14; Rev_21:6, Isa_9:6, Mic_5:2 Mal_3:6, Mat_28:19 Joh_1:1-3; Joh_8:58; Joh_17:5, Col_1:17, Heb_12:2; Heb_13:8.
    the first G4413 . Rev_1:17; Rev_2:8, Isa_41:4; Isa_43:10; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12, Joh_13:32, Col_1:18.
    and the last G2078 .
    Who is this about?
    Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12
    OR (or, AND?)
    The first and the last of the creation of YHWH. (Col_1:13-20 )
    Of YHWH’s direct creation. ( Joh_1:14 , Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9 )
    Yeshua was the first of YHWH’s creatures, the only being directly created. YHWH did all subsequent creating through the Son. (1Co_8:6, Joh_8:58)
    The beginner and finisher of the wondrous plan, though not its author. (Pro_8:22-30)

    Divine attributes claimed and exercised by Christ.
    Authority supreme. Col_2:10.
    Authority to see his own glory supremely. Col_1:16. Heb_9:14.
    Eternity. Mic_5:2.
    Immutability. Heb_13:8.
    Omnipotence. 1Co_1:24.
    Omnipresence. Mat_18:20.
    Omniscience. Mat_9:4. Heb_4:13.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  20. Bro Dave says:

    ADDENDUM to Study Notes from 11/5/2020

    There was quite a lively discussion amongst our Fellowship on verse Rev_22:12. and it’s related verses (see the Notes above).
    So much so that it was impossible for me to write down each person’s comments with any accuracy.
    After reviewing the meeting, here are notes of others’ comments concerning this portion of our discussion of :
    How do we harmonize the Scriptures which seem to suggest that faith alone is required for salvation with Jas_2:1-26? (Jas_2:17-18)
    Please refer back to the original notes for context.

    Is there a Scripture that comes out and says that salvation is through faith alone?

    Whoever believes in Him – that’s the faith part.
    Shall have everlasting life –
    Everlasting G166 life G2222  is not the same as salvation G4991
    Everlasting life is a reward element, if we are obedient.

    Also, Rom_3:27-28
    In the context of this Scripture, it is contrasting faith with works OF LAW.
    This Scripture is talking about something completely different than the “works” in James.
    The Jews believed you had to do the works of the Law (of Moses) to please YHWH, whereas, this Scripture is saying that YHWH is not just for the Jews, but also the Gentiles, who have never known the Law.

    For example, The Law said a man had to be circumcised (Act 15:1-5), and this Scripture is talking about those “works of the Law”.
    Circumcision was actually a sign of the covenant between Abraham and YHWH (Gen_17:11 ).

    The word, grace G5485 G5463, in Rom_6:14, in the Torah, the Torah is grace H2580 H2603 from YHWH.
    Both Paul and John mention that what the Law is has nothing to do with salvation, everlasting life or pleasing YHWH.
    The Law tells us what sin is.
    For Jews, Gentiles and Christians, sin is being disobedient to YHWH (1Jn_3:4).
    When we were “dead indeed unto sin” (Rom_6:11) is when we sin against YHWH.
    Paul explains the Law and sin in Rom_7:1-25.
    Sin is a problem, but THWH overcame that problem by His Son.
    Through Yeshua’s Atonement Sacrifice, covers our sin and we no longer have to concern ourselves with sin.
    We must put our faith in Christ to benefit from His Sacrifice.

    Agape Love, Faith and Works all go together: Faith is demonstrated by what we do (our works).

    All of mankind has been saved from sin by Christ’s Ransom Sacrifice.
    Some will not take advantage and will not attain everlasting life.
    Others, through their faith and their works, will attain everlasting life.
    And if they have done great works, their reward will be great.
    But the salvation part has nothing to do with the reward.
    “Once saved, always saved” applies.
    YHWH has given salvation to the world (Joh_3:16) and He is not going to take it back.
    It’s a free gift through His Grace.
    Not everyone deserves this – most of the “world” doesn’t know Him at all and are not worthy of His Gift, but He did it anyway.
    So we’re saved.

    The question is, what are we going to do with our salvation?
    Are we going to take advantage of it’s benefits and receive eternal life or are we going to look that salvation in the face and say, “I want to die”?

    That’s why Yeshua died on the cross: He saved mankind.
    Now we can get life, IF we put faith in Him.
    A free gift without conditions.

    So, one of YHWH’s children could be bad to the bone. All the days if his life he could do nothing but evil.
    Yet, Yeshua’s Ransom Sacrifice was for him, too, and he is given a resurrection (salvation).
    If he does not take advantage of this resurrection, then by his own choice he will wind up in the lake of fire (eternal destruction) (Rev_20:14-15).
    Why? Because if he was doing bad, he is going to continue doing bad (Rev_22:11).
    The food was prepared for him but he refused to eat it.



     As for the Alep to Tav (A to Z), there is an idiom that something expressed in its entirety is said to be covered from Aleph (1st letter) to Tav (last letter) of the Hebrew aleph beit. (Alpha bet to us).

    It is a complete blessing, perfection, and so on…. For God he is perfection, there is no comparison to Him and in Hebrew thought there is no other language that compares to Hebrew.

    One example, The detailed blessings promised those who observe the whole Torah begin with the letter Aleph in (Lev_26:3) and end with the letter Tav in Lev_26:13. An indication that the Word of God is perfect. (Rom_7:12)

    There are other interesting things with letters and words in the Hebrew that English, of course misses. An example of the letter Tav being used alone in Eze_9:4, the mark to be put on foreheads of the people mentioned here is the letter Tav in the Hebrew text. 

    (Ezekiel 9:4 KJV)  And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.


    (Ezekiel 9:4 OJB) And Hashem said unto him, Go through the midst of the Ir, through the midst of Yerushalayim, and put a TAV upon the mitzekhot (foreheads) of the anashim that grieve and lament for kol hato’evot that are being done in the midst thereof.

    The Wisdom of the Hebrew Alphabet gives interesting insight into the letters and meanings of each of the words, and in the case of Hebrew, the letters or lack thereof can change the meaning or give proper context to the text, especially in ancient Hebrew where there were no vowels and context determined the word, since many times the spelling would be the same for more than one word, therefore context determined which word belonged in the text.

    Surely, had God not blinded the Jews they would easily get that Messiah had come..

    I am extremely happy to get these comments from our Fellowship posted, even a little late.

    Please remember, as one of our Fellowship said, these can be uncomfortable concepts to get on our own, that is, without some other human, dead or alive, telling us what we’re “supposed” to believe.

    This difference in understanding may be the reason there are thousands of religions and churches in the world, all claiming to have exclusive knowledge of “the Truth”.

    Through our – and your, if you choose to undertake it – study of YHWH’s Word without human or organizational filtering (and without added burden of human tradition) and the struggle to understand His Word, we make YHWH’s Truth our own:


  21. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study by reviewing:
    Revelation 22:13

    Who is this about?
    Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12
    OR (or, AND?)
    The first and the last of the creation of YHWH. (Col_1:12-20 )
    Of YHWH’s direct creation.( Joh_1:14 , Joh_1:18, Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18, Heb_11:17, 1Jn_4:9 )
    Yeshua was the first of YHWH’s creatures, the only being directly created. YHWH did all subsequent creating through the Son. (1Co_8:6, Joh_8:58)
    The beginner and finisher of the wondrous plan, though not its author. (Pro_8:22-31)


    The prophecy of Yeshua.
    The mighty H1368 God, H410
    1Jo_5:20; Joh_20:28; 1Ti_3:16;

    What prohibits YHWH and Yeshua from having the same appellations that apply to both of them?

    At this point, YHWH will have fulfilled ALL His Promises, and is telling us what is about to come.

    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

  22. Bro Dave says:


    We resumed our study by reviewing:
    Revelation 22:13

    Isa_46:9-10 (Isa_46:9-11)
    (Isaiah 46:9 YLT)  Remember former things of old, For I am Mighty [God – KJV, ASV] H410 , and there is none else, God H430 —and there is none like Me.

    But NOT just YHWH:
    (Judges 16:24 KJV+)  And when the peopleH5971 sawH7200 him, they praisedH1984 (H853) their god:H430 forH3588 they said,H559 Our god H430 hath deliveredH5414 into our handsH3027 (H853) our enemy,H341 and the destroyerH2717 of our country,H776 whichH834 slew manyH7235 (H853) H2491 of us.

    (Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV+)  Hear,H8085 O Israel:H3478 The LORD H3068 our God H430 is oneH259 LORD: H3068

    (Isaiah 46:13 KJV)  I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
    Clearly this is YHWH speaking.

    Discussion of various Interlinear Bibles.

    “all”. “all” vs. “all sorts of”

    Review Rev_20:11-15
    This might encompass more than just standing before the throne and being judged.
    Does Rev_22:11 have something to do with this?

    At the end:
    Enemies – Satan is done away with, sin and death are the last enemies done away with (sin leads to death).
    Sin = disobedience of YHWH’s Law.
    At beginning, only one Law – don’t eat that fruit.
    In the end, AFTER the Millennial Kingdom and all enemies are gone, if we are holy, just and good, will we have the ability to disobey YHWH?
    We don’t have information about this.
    The really dangerous time is going to be the “little season”.
    Does anyone find that they are being assaulted by thoughts that seem bad or evil more than usual?
    Rom_10:12-13 (Joe_2:32; Act_2:21; Pro_18:10)

    The world seems like a much worse , a more evil, place today than it was 40-50 years ago.

    11/26/2020 (Thanksgiving night)
    We’ll resume our study with Revelation 22:14

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