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It would make sense that there is a disaster and some serious issues that men are unable to handle on earth for suddenly a Miracle to occur and for humanity as a whole to put their trust and or unwilling obedience to a man or group of men to take over the whole world as we know it. False Saviors and Idols, Those who put themselves above God and his ways. It is a good time to get people thinking and trying to get others to voice their thoughts and perhaps take the time to study especially if they are home and are not able to really get out and do much. Lets get the wheels turning and people to thinking…
They were given authority over 1/4 of the earth to kill with war, famine, plaques, and wild animals.. War and famine and plaque would be the results as well in the first of the seals according to the reading. The numbers would be interesting if anyone cares to research from the great war, the spanish flu, WW2. How much of the population was killed then? our population now has more than doubled, Approximately 2 billion before WW2 and today it is about 8 billion. Are the numbers for a specific period or for a drawn out period? The numbers are certainly VERY different. It may very well be something we may not be able to figure out. Reading through the rest of the book there are a number of things that will happen that we could not imagine and the timeline is not certain as it takes us almost back and forth in time in chapter 12 with the birth of the child then in 13 speaking of this beast and this mark that those on earth must take. What of this antichrist person or persons, they are part of this whole thing yet are not listed in an order that makes much sense at all when considering everything else, those with the mark being spared from wrath in chap 14 and so on…. I know this for sure, that this virus is nothing compared to what will eventually happen on the earth and those of us who haven’t lived through great wars and famines before, those of us who have been used to a world where we have what we want when we want it may suffer more because of the loss of these things. These are the many things that get in the way of Us giving our ALL to God and His Son and in our day the distractions that keep even the most devout from giving their full attention to the things of God are so great that those in Johns day would have been hard pressed to understand what we call worship and service. If I could only have the mind of Paul when he considered all that he had gained in his life as garbage compared to what he now had after discovering Messiah had really come and that he now had a greater purpose. In our day our family would likely try and throw us into a mental institution were we to suddenly change direction and devote everything to serving God in the way that the first disciples did. Its certainly not for everyone..
Ah, Lee Anthony, I see a few things in your comment that are interesting. It is our hope that during these hard times people will come on and talk back and forth. That is a stress relessor and it gets the Holy Spirit of God involved.
I am self quarantined and it is a blessing for many, my phone is in gear 9 hrs a day. But I would like to silence the phone and talk here on the site so our over 15,000 readers may get in on it and at least read like they do most of the time. I can only do so many phone and private emails.
Thank you, my brother, for starting this off. If anyone has something to say, now is the time to do so.
I noticed that these Horses appear to be galloping not so much over long distances but over long periods of TIME! Like you say they go back and forth.
Persons in many periods of time have had felt they were on the edge of the return of Christ but we know a lot of things have to happen before he returns.
I look intensely at the Jews for the actual landing of Jesus on earth on Mount Zion. I look for the temple to go up first, then sacrifices for 42 months, etc.
But the “time of the end” I am seeing might have begun when John got the vision and the White Horse shot out of the gate with a bunch of nefariously bad companion horses. I am discerning that they rode down thru time, like Braxton hicks contractions, they appeared early in time but you might feel them mildly or just breeze through them as we breeze through each plague and pandemic and epidemics. Some like the Black plague that killed so much of Europe and the Spanish flu that had us months or weeks from total extinction of the human race. (That just stopped in one day. WHO stopped that Spanish flu instantly???)
I have lived through a few quarantines with red ribbons or tape on your actual hedges or house and the health officials coming in checking everybody before you or anyone in that house could go out. They would take food to the yard or porch for the families.
We have lined up 3 blocks, from the school to the little white clinic to get MANDATORY POLIO VACCINE. Te health department would come and take your children if you didn’t let them get it.
That was the only way to stop that deadly disease! I saw the effects on people! It was dreadful! I saw the effects of measles and mumps.
Quarantine was the only way to contain it until they got the vaccine ready.
But the Braxton hicks on day turns into true labor and then we will know this end-time plague is thrown down by God to get our attention and give the opportunity to repent and be a great crowd.
Once the temple go up, it is on! I would love to see Jesus land on Mount Zion but I fear I won’t be alive but waiting for His shout.
Hopefully, others will comment to relieve stress. BTW The statistics say the Spanish flu killed more than all of our 20th-century wars combined. A Bug can end life on earth unless he cuts each event short, no flesh would be saved.
Our President mentioned today that they are using buildings that are available to be ready for the need if this virus goes viral so to speak and not have to build hospitals quickly like China.
Who would have thought that a bug would close the Churches! Now parishioners might realize they don’t need to pay for those big buildings and those huge salaries.
I wonder if any will see now that they can let the Holy Spirit help them understand the Bible in small groups.
These are interesting times. But we pray that God will have mercy and stop this like the Spanish Influenza stopped suddenly.
So Warwick is isolated and well suited for this kind of containment. Wonder if they are going to give up Patterson or Wallkill.
Bubonic Plague, Spanish influenza, Aids, Cancer, Covid 19. Hmmm, and a third of mankind died.
Fires in Australia, Canada, the rain Forest and what fires have happened before we started taking notice. Hmmm, and a third of the earth was on fire. Hmmm
I happen to see to me that the first century Christians understood that the horses started riding in their day and down through the centuries. Rev 9 chapter is interesting for sure. The White Horse has been misidentified for hundreds of years, that is Not Jesus running with those other bad horses. That is a Religious-Governmental horse that would kill many men-IN The NAME OF GOD!
Jesus said but as His return becomes imminent the times would be as a woman in travail as the pains come and go (Braxton-Hicks) until the hard labor starts and won’t stop until she screams out in pain as the child is born.
{Braxton Hicks contractions are intermittent uterine contractions that start in early pregnancy, although you probably won’t notice them until sometime after mid-pregnancy. (Some women never notice them.) They’re named for John Braxton Hicks, the English doctor who first described them in 1872.}
Now this is Jesus on a White horse.
Rev. 19:11-16″ “11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Jacqueline,
Hehe. Yes change it to “hey” I meant to say “Hello.”
Hello, brothers and sisters. If the 144,000 are literal Israel then why does the Bible Describe them at Rev 5:9 as coming from all nations?
“They sing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation; you have made them to be a kingdom and priests serving our God, and they will reign on earth.”
Revelation 5:9
Hi Christopher, maybe I need to understand what you are asking.I do not see 144,000 number mentioned here, I see the Church.
Rev5:9 are the 4 living creatures and 24 elders talking about the Saints.
“8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
Now let’s look at
Rev14″Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
So I guess I need clarification.
I see Rev 5 talking about the great mystery of the “Church” coming out of every nation, tribe, nation and tongue and will reign on EARTH. The 4 elders were doing the singing here. Rev. 5:10 does not show them ruling from heaven but from the earth. The Lamb was as if slain or the sacrificial savior. In Rev 14 He is standing up with his father on Mount Zion. Different places and circumstances.
Now Rev. 14 as I see it: The 144,000 are redeemed FROM the earth and they are with the Lamb and have the name of the Lamb and His Father on their head.
Like a Bride has the last name of her husband but it is the same name as her father in law, her husband’s father. This reminds me of a BRIDE of 144,000 specially chosen.
The Church as I see it are the ones ruling with Christ for 1,000 years on the earth. I don’t believe the entire Church as the Bride of Christ. I personally see the 144,000 as the Bride of Christ. One reason is because of the building the angel showed to John at Rev 20:9-10.
Now as far as the 144,000 being as you mentioned from literal Israel let us see what God himself says: He makes sure we got it by saying how many and from which tribes of Israel. Some say well we don’t know who is from which tribe now. But of course, none of us are God, He knows what woman’s womb each one of them gestated in let alone what tribe each Jew is from, he knows.
Rev. 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
Rev 7:5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
Rev 7:6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
Rev 7:7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
Rev 7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
Jesus told the Angel to tell John that no one is to add or take away from the words in Revelation. I accept that God says what he means and means what he says.
That is my take and I am on the conference call so I am not really digging as deeply as I maybe should. We have a guest speaker on and I am listening to Br. Rice.
BTW, Christopher, I changed the first word of your comment from Hell to hey, was I correct in doing that?
A look at pestilences. Something to think about.